FBI Hero Shot Twice - How He Ended History's Deadliest Fight - Part 1
"When you're fighting for your life, anything and everything is an option." - Ed Mireles, FBI Agent (Rtd.)
On April 11, 1986, FBI Special Agent Ed Mireles faced the most violent confrontation in Bureau history during the Miami firefight that would forever change how law enforcement officers are armed and trained.
This is Part 1 of Ed's incredible story - from tracking the mysterious "Unknown Gang" of bank robbers through South Florida to the moment when everything went wrong. Two former 101st Airborne soldiers, Michael Platt and William Matix, had terrorized the region with military precision, killing every witness until one man survived to tell their story. When FBI agents finally located them on that fateful Friday morning, a routine surveillance turned into a deadly chase through Miami neighborhoods.
Armed only with six-shot revolvers and shotguns, eight FBI agents confronted two heavily-armed, military-trained killers in what became known as the bloodiest day in FBI history. Ed's story reveals the shocking disparity in firepower, the split-second decisions that determined life and death, and the moment when he took two devastating hits but refused to give up. "This is survivable," he told himself as bullets flew overhead - a mindset that would prove prophetic.
Key Timestamps:
- 8:45 - The Unknown Gang's reign of terror
- 23:08 - Spotting the stolen Monte Carlo
- 25:26 - The high-speed chase begins
- 32:51 - Outgunned: six-shot revolvers vs. military weapons
- 45:35 - Ed's "this is survivable" moment
- 51:40 - Setting up the impossible survival story
Don't miss Part 2 to discover how Ed survived the impossible and ended the deadliest firefight in FBI history. Support our law enforcement heroes at CitizensBehindTheBadge.org.
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Speaker:Dennis Collins Ed Morales, Ed Morales, Jr., a retired
Speaker:Dennis Collins FBI special agent, a native of Texas, a
Speaker:Dennis Collins United States Marine
Speaker:Dennis Collins veteran, two tours in Vietnam.
Speaker:Dennis Collins He joined the FBI in
Speaker:Dennis Collins September of 1979 and 1985.
Speaker:Dennis Collins He transferred to the Miami field office
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Speaker:Dennis Collins Ed's that was his undercover name.
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Speaker:Dennis Collins careers, many achievements, notable
Speaker:Dennis Collins accomplishments for decades.
Speaker:Dennis Collins There's one day that
Speaker:Dennis Collins changes their lives forever.
Speaker:Dennis Collins April 11th, 1986, 845 a.m., 14 FBI agents
Speaker:Dennis Collins were preparing to conduct a rolling
Speaker:Dennis Collins stakeout looking for two ruthless,
Speaker:Dennis Collins violent criminals,
Speaker:Dennis Collins bank robbers, murderers.
Speaker:Dennis Collins They were called the Unknown Gang.
Speaker:Dennis Collins They were running rampant up and down US
Speaker:Dennis Collins one in South Dade County, Florida,
Speaker:Dennis Collins especially on Fridays.
Speaker:Dennis Collins But Morellus and his and seven of his
Speaker:Dennis Collins fellow agents made contact with these bad
Speaker:Dennis Collins guys on Southwest 82nd Avenue in Dade
Speaker:Dennis Collins County in the Dade
Speaker:Dennis Collins County village of Pinecrest.
Speaker:Dennis Collins What followed would be one of the most
Speaker:Dennis Collins dramatic and deadly
Speaker:Dennis Collins encounters in FBI history.
Speaker:Dennis Collins Morellus was the first agent ever to be
Speaker:Dennis Collins honored with the FBI medal
Speaker:Dennis Collins of valor on April 10th, 1990.
Speaker:Dennis Collins And October 7th on October 7 1986, the
Speaker:Dennis Collins IACP police officer of the
Speaker:Dennis Collins year award to Ed Morellus.
Speaker:Dennis Collins This story has been
Speaker:Dennis Collins told many, many times.
Speaker:Dennis Collins But it's important that we tell it again
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Speaker:Dennis Collins Ed, a warm welcome to
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Speaker:Ed Mireles Thank you, Dennis.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's a pleasure to be here.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And it's a pleasure to reconnect with
Speaker:Ed Mireles Craig again, after 34 years.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Yes, indeed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Great, great deal.
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Speaker:Dennis Collins stations in Miami at
Speaker:Dennis Collins the time of this incident.
Speaker:Dennis Collins And my I think I was telling you before
Speaker:Dennis Collins we started, the news director called me
Speaker:Dennis Collins into around nine o'clock that morning, he
Speaker:Dennis Collins says, did you're not going to believe
Speaker:Dennis Collins what's going on down in South Dade.
Speaker:Dennis Collins And of course, the scanners were all lit
Speaker:Dennis Collins up with the Dade County police at that
Speaker:Dennis Collins time, you know, trying to help you guys
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Speaker:Dennis Collins there after the fact.
Speaker:Dennis Collins But, you know, it was
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Speaker:Dennis Collins Craig, I know you
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Speaker:Dennis Collins Bill Erforth serving so many years in
Speaker:Dennis Collins Miami Dade as a police
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Speaker:Craig Floyd Glad when we selected the representative
Speaker:Craig Floyd of law enforcement in America to speak at
Speaker:Craig Floyd the National Law Enforcement Officers
Speaker:Craig Floyd Memorial dedication.
Speaker:Craig Floyd I turned to you, my friend, because I
Speaker:Craig Floyd knew your story a few years earlier, you
Speaker:Craig Floyd had heroically ended what they call the
Speaker:Craig Floyd bloodiest day in FBI history.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And I certainly want to share that story
Speaker:Craig Floyd here today with our audience.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Let's start with the suspects and what
Speaker:Craig Floyd led to this shootout on April 11 1986.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Two suspects you were after
Speaker:Craig Floyd Michael Platt and William Maddox.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And take it from here.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Who were these people you were after?
Speaker:Craig Floyd And what have they done that led to this
Speaker:Craig Floyd arrest situation and
Speaker:Craig Floyd ultimately the shootout?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, Craig, that's the the interesting
Speaker:Ed Mireles part about this whole about the
Speaker:Ed Mireles initiation of this case.
Speaker:Ed Mireles At the time, right before the shooting
Speaker:Ed Mireles and the weeks and months previous, we had
Speaker:Ed Mireles no idea who these guys were.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I tell people I said they were ghosts.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were phantoms.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They would just appear on Fridays
Speaker:Ed Mireles usually, be a bunch of gunfire.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Sometimes it'd be dead people.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Sometimes they'd be wounded
Speaker:Ed Mireles people and then disappear.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, they really were phantoms.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's how we call them the Unknown Gang.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Because witnesses couldn't tell us
Speaker:Ed Mireles whether they were white,
Speaker:Ed Mireles black, Hispanic or male or female.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Really.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So up until, well, actually, it wasn't
Speaker:Ed Mireles until after the shootout
Speaker:Ed Mireles happened that we knew who they were.
Speaker:Ed Mireles We had, we got a lucky break about three
Speaker:Ed Mireles weeks before the shooting.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They had assaulted a gentleman out of
Speaker:Ed Mireles Hialeah, Florida, where he was out target
Speaker:Ed Mireles shooting in the Everglades.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They shot him and left him for dead.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And they stole his black Monte Carlo.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And that gentleman,
Speaker:Ed Mireles Jose Correaso was so lucky.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He was shot three times.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he was about a
Speaker:Ed Mireles mile into the Everglades.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he had a strong will to survive.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He had a decision to make after after
Speaker:Ed Mireles they shot him, shot him, they sold his
Speaker:Ed Mireles car, sold his guns, stole his wallet, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, took everything from him.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He had to make a choice.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Do I stay here and die?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Or do I try to do something to survive?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he decided to try to survive.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So he staggered about a mile from where
Speaker:Ed Mireles he was shot out to the nearest highway.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he waved down some a passing vehicle
Speaker:Ed Mireles passing, I think it was a
Speaker:Ed Mireles station wagon or something.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And the people in that car
Speaker:Ed Mireles got him to a phone and call 911.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he ended up at Miami hospital.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So he was our first live witness.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, that was really the first person
Speaker:Ed Mireles that saw these guys that survived up
Speaker:Ed Mireles until that time,
Speaker:Ed Mireles everybody that saw him died.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So even though we had a good description
Speaker:Ed Mireles of these guys, there were two white
Speaker:Ed Mireles males, about six feet, six
Speaker:Ed Mireles feet one, six, six foot two.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Slender had a military bearing, and they
Speaker:Ed Mireles drove a white pickup truck.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's all the information we had up
Speaker:Ed Mireles until the up until after the gunfight.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So based on the information that we had,
Speaker:Ed Mireles that happened on March 12.
Speaker:Ed Mireles In 1986, we started doing surveillance is
Speaker:Ed Mireles in South Miami, from those of you that
Speaker:Ed Mireles are familiar with that
Speaker:Ed Mireles area, US one, and South Miami.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I mean, it was, I
Speaker:Ed Mireles mean, we had nothing.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, we had no idea, you know, so we
Speaker:Ed Mireles just said, Hey, we're gonna do a shotgun
Speaker:Ed Mireles lead, we're gonna saturate the area with
Speaker:Ed Mireles officers, agents, and
Speaker:Ed Mireles hopefully we'll get lucky.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And as it turned out, we were lucky, one
Speaker:Ed Mireles of our surveillance is the lead was to go
Speaker:Ed Mireles out there and take down the license plate
Speaker:Ed Mireles of any light colored
Speaker:Ed Mireles pickup truck in South Florida.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I mean, that's how desperate we were
Speaker:Ed Mireles for a lead, you know?
Speaker:Ed Mireles So as luck would have it, John Hanlon,
Speaker:Ed Mireles that unbeknownst to him, had taken down a
Speaker:Ed Mireles tag of a pickup truck that passed them.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And that tag, I don't recall the number
Speaker:Ed Mireles off the top of my head, but it ended up
Speaker:Ed Mireles being Maddox's pickup truck.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So people say, well,
Speaker:Ed Mireles what does that matter?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, if we had taken the owners of the
Speaker:Ed Mireles pickup truck, you know, separated them,
Speaker:Ed Mireles okay, all the female owners discard them,
Speaker:Ed Mireles all the black and Hispanic owners discard
Speaker:Ed Mireles them, and you're left with a
Speaker:Ed Mireles pool of potential suspects.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So we would have whittled down the list,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, we would have
Speaker:Ed Mireles shown them photo spreads to Mr.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Carriasso.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And eventually, we would have identified
Speaker:Ed Mireles who the shooter was, who the background
Speaker:Ed Mireles was for, but it didn't happen that way.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But what ended up happening was what I
Speaker:Ed Mireles call intuitive policing.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Our supervisor, Gordon McNeil,
Speaker:Ed Mireles on April 10th, he was out at firearms
Speaker:Ed Mireles training with Ben Grogan, the case agent.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he said, Hey, Ben, you know, how
Speaker:Ed Mireles about we set up a surveillance tomorrow?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he and Ben had a conversation.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I know this because Gordon told me
Speaker:Ed Mireles that what happened, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, after the shooting,
Speaker:Ed Mireles he said he and Ben discussed it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And Ben asked him,
Speaker:Ed Mireles Gordon, what do you know?
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, what's what's up?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Do you have something I don't know?
Speaker:Ed Mireles I don't know about?
Speaker:Ed Mireles No.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He said, number one, he said the last
Speaker:Ed Mireles time they hit a bank was three weeks ago.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Number two, when they hit
Speaker:Ed Mireles the bank, they only got $8,000.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Normally, they got $40,000 or $50,000.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And number three,
Speaker:Craig Floyd just to break up, how many bank robberies
Speaker:Craig Floyd had they committed up to this point?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Bank and armored truck robbers, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles we can combine them together.
Speaker:Ed Mireles We with evidence, we can link them to six
Speaker:Ed Mireles confirmed robberies.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, but there were an additional 12 to
Speaker:Ed Mireles 14 robberies that had the same MO that
Speaker:Ed Mireles had the same style of robbery.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So we think they were good for anywhere
Speaker:Ed Mireles from between 12 to 15
Speaker:Ed Mireles robberies in South Florida.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But we could only link positively link
Speaker:Ed Mireles them to six through forensics evidence.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So Gordon told, as I was saying, Gordon
Speaker:Ed Mireles told Ben, hey, tomorrow, the last time
Speaker:Ed Mireles they hit was three weeks ago, but the
Speaker:Ed Mireles last time they hit, they only got $8,000.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And tomorrow is Friday, payday Friday.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Those of us old timers that
Speaker:Ed Mireles know what payday Friday is.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So he said, Hey, I
Speaker:Ed Mireles think I think they're due.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I've got a hunch.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I think they're going to hit tomorrow.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's how we ended up on surveillance,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, just, you know, intuitive
Speaker:Ed Mireles policing, you know, a good,
Speaker:Ed Mireles good hunch by a good, good agent.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So Ed, I want to jump in real
Speaker:Bill Erfurth quick and ask you something.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So the tie in here, and you were talking
Speaker:Bill Erfurth about the victim that was
Speaker:Bill Erfurth shot out in the Everglades.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And I think the timeline of that was
Speaker:Bill Erfurth about a month prior.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth How is that or how was that tied in
Speaker:Bill Erfurth together so that it wasn't an isolated
Speaker:Bill Erfurth incident, that it was just another random
Speaker:Bill Erfurth crime that happened in the Everglades.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So how did you tie that, that together at
Speaker:Bill Erfurth that point and think, wow, maybe these
Speaker:Bill Erfurth guys are our bank robbers?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, that's a good question, Bill.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, first of all, the first getaway
Speaker:Ed Mireles car that they used was, was it, I don't
Speaker:Ed Mireles know how it ended up being this way, but
Speaker:Ed Mireles it was a gold colored Monte Carlo.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, don't ask me how the Monte Carlo
Speaker:Ed Mireles brand gets into there.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But that car belonged to Emilio Briel.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He went to target practicing and, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, August, September of 1985, he went
Speaker:Ed Mireles to the Everglades to target
Speaker:Ed Mireles practice and he disappeared.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He never, he, he was
Speaker:Ed Mireles never seen alive again.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That was about a week after his
Speaker:Ed Mireles disappearance, you know, we started
Speaker:Ed Mireles getting a rash of armored
Speaker:Ed Mireles truck and bank robberies.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And people would say, hey, the getaway
Speaker:Ed Mireles car was a green car, a brown car, a gold
Speaker:Ed Mireles car, you know, a white car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So we, you know, people couldn't really
Speaker:Ed Mireles tell us, you know, it's, people get
Speaker:Ed Mireles stressed out when people point guns in
Speaker:Ed Mireles their faces, you know, or a weapon shot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles People are funny that way,
Speaker:Ed Mireles right?
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And just a little bit.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, it was hard to get a good
Speaker:Ed Mireles description, you know, but it wasn't
Speaker:Ed Mireles until January of 1986 that
Speaker:Ed Mireles we recovered the stolen car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles A witness followed the bank robbers to a
Speaker:Ed Mireles Burger King in the area close
Speaker:Ed Mireles to the bank that was robbed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He saw them switch from the stolen car,
Speaker:Ed Mireles from the bank robbery car to their
Speaker:Ed Mireles personal car, which is a pickup truck.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He tried to follow them, but you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they, they saw him and he, the bad guys
Speaker:Ed Mireles got out and pointed a gun at him, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, so he drove back.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So that was, that was the, the tie
Speaker:Ed Mireles in.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So had the misfortune of going to target
Speaker:Ed Mireles practice in the same place where Emilio
Speaker:Ed Mireles Briel had been targeted practicing.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And that's when he was, when he was
Speaker:Ed Mireles accosted and shot and left for dead.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Now that was on March 12th, on March
Speaker:Ed Mireles 19th, a week after he
Speaker:Ed Mireles was shot and left for dead.
Speaker:Ed Mireles We had a bank robbery at the Barnett bank
Speaker:Ed Mireles at 136th street and South Dixie highway.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I think Barnett, the Barnett company has
Speaker:Ed Mireles been bought out by somebody else, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, but at the time when the bank was
Speaker:Ed Mireles called Barnett bank, there was a US
Speaker:Ed Mireles customs inspector that was driving into
Speaker:Ed Mireles the bank at about nine, nine 30 in the
Speaker:Ed Mireles morning to cash a check.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I make fun of people.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I make fun of people, the young kids
Speaker:Ed Mireles today, I have to hold
Speaker:Ed Mireles up a piece of paper.
Speaker:Ed Mireles A check used to be a, a, a, a monetary
Speaker:Ed Mireles instrument that you had to sign to go
Speaker:Ed Mireles into a bank to get your money.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So he was going in the cash a check.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And when he was parking, he saw two men
Speaker:Ed Mireles running out of the bank with, with long
Speaker:Ed Mireles rifles wearing masks and, and, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles had dark clothing on jump into a black
Speaker:Ed Mireles car back out of the
Speaker:Ed Mireles parking space and speed away.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, when they backed up, they backed
Speaker:Ed Mireles the rear end of the car towards his
Speaker:Ed Mireles position, being a law enforcement
Speaker:Ed Mireles officer, a customs guy,
Speaker:Ed Mireles he jotted down the tag.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So we had a confirmed sighting of the
Speaker:Ed Mireles black Monte Carlo that was stolen from
Speaker:Ed Mireles Jose Correaso to an actual
Speaker:Ed Mireles bank robbery a week later.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So the customs officer said it was the
Speaker:Ed Mireles tag was NTJ 891, which matched exactly to
Speaker:Ed Mireles the tag that Correaso's stolen car had on
Speaker:Ed Mireles it.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So one other thing I want to clear up and
Speaker:Bill Erfurth kind of tie in for everyone that's
Speaker:Bill Erfurth listening is you mentioned that this was
Speaker:Bill Erfurth the same location out of the Everglades
Speaker:Bill Erfurth that they had gone at least for a second
Speaker:Bill Erfurth time when this had happened.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So knowing, and we'll, we'll, we'll state
Speaker:Bill Erfurth this now, these guys
Speaker:Bill Erfurth were both in the military.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth They both had, you know, pretty
Speaker:Bill Erfurth significant military backgrounds and they
Speaker:Bill Erfurth met together when they were in the
Speaker:Bill Erfurth military and became friends and then
Speaker:Bill Erfurth ultimately came together after they were
Speaker:Bill Erfurth both honorably discharged.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So was there some real connection as to
Speaker:Bill Erfurth why they would go to this
Speaker:Bill Erfurth location in the Everglades?
Speaker:Bill Erfurth Was it because they went out there and
Speaker:Bill Erfurth they would shoot there also,
Speaker:Bill Erfurth or was that ever determined?
Speaker:Ed Mireles We could never ever determine that they
Speaker:Ed Mireles shot there except for
Speaker:Ed Mireles the following information.
Speaker:Ed Mireles There, there were girlfriends, wives, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, whatever they had at the time that
Speaker:Ed Mireles they were, they were involved in the, in
Speaker:Ed Mireles the robberies told us that these guys
Speaker:Ed Mireles used to go shooting every week.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They practiced every week.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And you're from, you're
Speaker:Ed Mireles from, from the Dade County area.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I've been to the same place that Emilio
Speaker:Ed Mireles Briel and Jose Coyasso used to shoot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's out there in the
Speaker:Ed Mireles Everglades off the Tamiami Trail
Speaker:Ed Mireles between, you know, right before you get
Speaker:Ed Mireles to Chrome Avenue, Tamiami Trail, there's
Speaker:Ed Mireles an area there where people shoot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's, it's an open area.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You go out there, you walk on, on so many
Speaker:Ed Mireles shell casings, just like walking on a
Speaker:Ed Mireles brass highway, a brass sidewalk.
Speaker:Ed Mireles There's so much ammo out
Speaker:Ed Mireles there that's been fired.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So, I mean, I've actually shot at that
Speaker:Ed Mireles same location, you know, so I mean,
Speaker:Ed Mireles there's a common, common area.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's, it's free and it's safe.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, there's, well, I don't know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles back then there were no houses out there.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I don't know what it is now,
Speaker:Ed Mireles but so it was a common area.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And these guys, the, the, the bank
Speaker:Ed Mireles robbers probably also went out there to
Speaker:Ed Mireles practice because that's, that's what
Speaker:Ed Mireles happened when they, they, they shot and
Speaker:Ed Mireles left Coyasso for dead.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were out there in their pickup truck
Speaker:Ed Mireles with their weapons and they were firing,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they were practicing.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And then somewhere along the time, a few
Speaker:Ed Mireles minutes after they got there, they turned
Speaker:Ed Mireles around and decided to attack Coyasso.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They came up behind him, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles pointed their weapons at him and said,
Speaker:Ed Mireles Hey, listen, give us your wallet, give us
Speaker:Ed Mireles your guns, give us your, you know, watch,
Speaker:Ed Mireles whatever, and give us
Speaker:Ed Mireles the keys to your car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So that's, that's how it ended up going
Speaker:Craig Floyd You know, let me, let me jump in here for
Speaker:Craig Floyd a second to help our audience understand
Speaker:Craig Floyd the depth of evil
Speaker:Craig Floyd that these guys sunk to.
Speaker:Craig Floyd You mentioned their
Speaker:Craig Floyd girlfriends and wives.
Speaker:Craig Floyd There is suspicion.
Speaker:Craig Floyd I don't know that it was ever proven a
Speaker:Craig Floyd hundred percent, but they were suspicion
Speaker:Craig Floyd that both Maddox's wife and Platt's wife
Speaker:Craig Floyd died under mysterious circumstances.
Speaker:Craig Floyd One was stabbed to death along with a
Speaker:Craig Floyd researcher at a hospital, I believe.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And the other was an apparent suicide,
Speaker:Craig Floyd but it was never proven.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And the suspicion was that Maddox and
Speaker:Craig Floyd Platt may have killed their own wives.
Speaker:Craig Floyd So, I mean, this is the despicable
Speaker:Craig Floyd characters we're talking about that will
Speaker:Craig Floyd stoop to no depths too
Speaker:Craig Floyd deep to commit evil acts.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And it's almost unbelievable to think
Speaker:Craig Floyd there are people in this world that are
Speaker:Craig Floyd like them in that regard.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And yet you had to go up with against
Speaker:Craig Floyd them on April 11, 1986.
Speaker:Craig Floyd So, so take us back again, you're
Speaker:Craig Floyd surveilling, you spot the vehicle, and
Speaker:Craig Floyd all hell breaks loose.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Talk us through that.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Actually, it was Ben Grogan and Jerry
Speaker:Ed Mireles Dubb riding in the same unit together
Speaker:Ed Mireles that spotted the car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were at 136th Street and US 1.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were at the Barnett bank that I
Speaker:Ed Mireles mentioned before that had
Speaker:Ed Mireles been robbed on March 19.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And this is speculation on our part
Speaker:Ed Mireles because all four witnesses that were
Speaker:Ed Mireles involved in this
Speaker:Ed Mireles little incident are dead.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Ben and Jerry are dead, and
Speaker:Ed Mireles the two bank robbers are dead.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So we can't get information.
Speaker:Ed Mireles We can't interview them, you know, but
Speaker:Ed Mireles based on trying to reconstruct the event,
Speaker:Ed Mireles the black Monte Carlo must have driven
Speaker:Ed Mireles into the parking lot of the Barnett bank.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And at the time on April 11, they had a
Speaker:Ed Mireles marked unit parked in front
Speaker:Ed Mireles of the bank as extra security.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So they probably drove in, saw the marked
Speaker:Ed Mireles unit, made a circle around the parking
Speaker:Ed Mireles lot and started leaving.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, it's our speculation that Ben and
Speaker:Ed Mireles or Jerry saw the black car circling
Speaker:Ed Mireles around the parking lot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So they decided to follow it and they
Speaker:Ed Mireles couldn't see the tag.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So they followed it north on US 1.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And it wasn't until they got to about
Speaker:Ed Mireles 124th Street and US 1 that they were able
Speaker:Ed Mireles to catch up with it and verify that the
Speaker:Ed Mireles tag on the black car was the tag from a
Speaker:Ed Mireles Cuyasso stolen Monte Carlo.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And boy, I'll tell you what, they'll talk
Speaker:Ed Mireles about all hell breaking loose.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's like, I remember
Speaker:Ed Mireles the worst of this day.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, they're, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, lasered into my mind.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Ben Grogan called out attention.
Speaker:Ed Mireles All units were behind a black vehicle two
Speaker:Ed Mireles door, wrote a tag NTJ 891.
Speaker:Ed Mireles We're headed north on
Speaker:Ed Mireles the South Dixie Highway.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's like, holy cow, I could not believe
Speaker:Ed Mireles that these guys were that bold, that
Speaker:Ed Mireles brazen to be in a stolen car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They didn't even
Speaker:Ed Mireles change the tags on the car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, so it's kind of like, I don't
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, they weren't dumb.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I think they may have been just daring
Speaker:Ed Mireles us, daring law enforcement to stop them.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, I mean, I have no, I have no
Speaker:Ed Mireles idea what their real motivation was.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But you have to admit, you know, that the
Speaker:Ed Mireles description of the car and the tag number
Speaker:Ed Mireles had been publicized all over South
Speaker:Ed Mireles Florida from, from Orlando down to Key
Speaker:Ed Mireles West, you know, so I mean, they knew they
Speaker:Ed Mireles were, they were, they
Speaker:Ed Mireles were looking for the car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And here they are on a Friday morning,
Speaker:Ed Mireles just driving around in a stolen car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So what followed was a short surveillance
Speaker:Ed Mireles that turned into a real
Speaker:Ed Mireles short high speed chase.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That led to a bunch of, there were four
Speaker:Ed Mireles units, three FBI cars, and one, the
Speaker:Ed Mireles stolen Monte Carlo, ended up playing
Speaker:Ed Mireles bumper cars on Southwest 82nd Avenue, so
Speaker:Ed Mireles that we were Southbound.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So there was a series of crashes and
Speaker:Ed Mireles banging and rear ending and so on and so
Speaker:Ed Mireles forth, you know, and what,
Speaker:Ed Mireles as luck would have it, we ended up
Speaker:Ed Mireles ramming them or Richard Manousine ended
Speaker:Ed Mireles up ramming the, the stolen Monte Carlo
Speaker:Ed Mireles into a driveway against some civilian
Speaker:Ed Mireles cars and up pinned up against a tree.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he pinned them on the left side on
Speaker:Ed Mireles the left side of his
Speaker:Ed Mireles left side of the stolen car.
Speaker:Craig Floyd He penned them.
Speaker:Craig Floyd This is a residential
Speaker:Craig Floyd neighborhood, as I remember, right?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Correct, right.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's in front of a duplex.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, it wasn't, it wasn't the best.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It wasn't our choice.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, and I've been asking them, why,
Speaker:Ed Mireles why did you stop them there?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I have to laugh at people.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, I tell people, I say, Hey, how
Speaker:Ed Mireles many types of car stops are there?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I get all kinds of answers, high
Speaker:Ed Mireles risk, low risk, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, Bellamy, non-Bellamy.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I said, no, guys, there's
Speaker:Ed Mireles only two kinds of car stops.
Speaker:Ed Mireles There's a compliant car stop, which means
Speaker:Ed Mireles you pull over to the side
Speaker:Ed Mireles when you get pulled over.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And then there's a
Speaker:Ed Mireles non-compliant car stop.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Where you'd say, Hey, the heck with
Speaker:Ed Mireles it.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So, Yeah.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And like you have any
Speaker:Bill Erfurth luxury in that decision, right?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Exactly.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I don't care.
Speaker:Ed Mireles No.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, the bad guys get a choice too.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, that's people don't realize
Speaker:Ed Mireles that, you know, they,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they, they get a boat too.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And they said, no,
Speaker:Ed Mireles we're not going to stop.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So our idea was to stop them up against a
Speaker:Ed Mireles cement wall, which would have been
Speaker:Ed Mireles perfect because the backdrop would have
Speaker:Ed Mireles been a cement wall in
Speaker:Ed Mireles case there's a gunfight.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But they had a choice that they got a
Speaker:Ed Mireles boat and they said, no,
Speaker:Ed Mireles turn into a non-compliant stop.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So we ended up
Speaker:Ed Mireles crashing in front of a duplex.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, with people in, in, inside, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, it was, it was just one of those
Speaker:Ed Mireles things, you know, so after we crashed
Speaker:Ed Mireles them, uh, was the beginning of a, about a
Speaker:Ed Mireles four and a half, five minute gunfight.
Speaker:Craig Floyd So, so Four and five
Speaker:Craig Floyd rounds were fired, as I recall.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Is that right?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Say that again, Craig.
Speaker:Craig Floyd 145 rounds fired during this exchange.
Speaker:Ed Mireles There, it's an estimate
Speaker:Ed Mireles between 140 and 150 rounds.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And, and people said, well,
Speaker:Ed Mireles how can that be an estimate?
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, well, let
Speaker:Ed Mireles me give you an example.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Uh, Ron Reisner, uh, he had a,
Speaker:Ed Mireles uh, a nine millimeter pistol.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He fired 15 rounds from one magazine and
Speaker:Ed Mireles he fired half of a second magazine.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He fired seven rounds.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So that is 22 shell casings that should
Speaker:Ed Mireles have been on the ground
Speaker:Ed Mireles from his pistol alone.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles What happened was when the, uh, after the
Speaker:Ed Mireles gunfight was over, they brought in a, uh,
Speaker:Ed Mireles Medivac helicopter landed right in the
Speaker:Ed Mireles middle of the, of the crime scene.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And you know how helicopters are.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They just, the downdraft just
Speaker:Ed Mireles blows stuff all over the place.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So they only found,
Speaker:Ed Mireles uh, Ron fired 22 shots.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They only found seven
Speaker:Ed Mireles of his shell casings.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So there were shell casings missing all
Speaker:Ed Mireles over the place, you know?
Speaker:Ed Mireles So, so that's why it's estimated that the
Speaker:Ed Mireles rounds fired were
Speaker:Ed Mireles between 140 and 150 rounds.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So, so, you know, there were a lot of,
Speaker:Bill Erfurth yeah, there were a lot of really
Speaker:Bill Erfurth unfortunate circumstances or, or errors
Speaker:Bill Erfurth that came along with this.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And I think it's interesting to note for
Speaker:Bill Erfurth people that aren't familiar with this
Speaker:Bill Erfurth story is so, you know, there were several
Speaker:Bill Erfurth different collisions along the way till
Speaker:Bill Erfurth you finally were able to trap their
Speaker:Bill Erfurth vehicle and immobilize them.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And in, and in one of the, uh, impacts a
Speaker:Bill Erfurth couple of the FBI agents guns that, uh,
Speaker:Bill Erfurth were lying on the seat, they ended up
Speaker:Bill Erfurth going out the door or they ended up on
Speaker:Bill Erfurth the floorboard and they didn't even have
Speaker:Bill Erfurth access to those weapons.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And so that kind of puts you guys a
Speaker:Bill Erfurth little bit at a disadvantage.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth You know, interestingly enough, and we're
Speaker:Bill Erfurth going to get into this a little bit more,
Speaker:Bill Erfurth as you mentioned, one of the agents had a
Speaker:Bill Erfurth nine millimeter pistol, but some of the
Speaker:Bill Erfurth agents were only armed with 38 revolvers
Speaker:Bill Erfurth or perhaps a shotgun or two.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And this is an interesting thing because
Speaker:Bill Erfurth this was the 1980s in Miami, the infamous
Speaker:Bill Erfurth 1980s in Miami of the cocaine cowboy era.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth There were people running around Mary
Speaker:Bill Erfurth Alito Cubans, the Colombian cartels.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth There were, there were six to 10 murders
Speaker:Bill Erfurth happening every day to the point that
Speaker:Bill Erfurth there were so many murders, the Dade
Speaker:Bill Erfurth County medical examiner's office couldn't
Speaker:Bill Erfurth keep the bodies and they went to the
Speaker:Bill Erfurth Burger King headquarters in Miami and
Speaker:Bill Erfurth rented out refrigeration trucks just to
Speaker:Bill Erfurth stack and store the dead bodies.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So this is the timeframe of
Speaker:Bill Erfurth when your incident happened.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And I know that one of the bad guys had a
Speaker:Bill Erfurth rifle or a weapon, but your story and
Speaker:Bill Erfurth this situation in many ways transformed
Speaker:Bill Erfurth law enforcement and how they
Speaker:Bill Erfurth thought of arming themselves.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And so let's get into that
Speaker:Bill Erfurth whole shootout mindset scenario.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth You're shooting, they're shooting, talk
Speaker:Bill Erfurth about the exchange of gunfire and how you
Speaker:Bill Erfurth guys were in fact outgunned until finally
Speaker:Bill Erfurth the bad guys were killed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, you bring up, you set the stage
Speaker:Ed Mireles perfectly for what happened.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, I've been asked that question
Speaker:Ed Mireles many times, you know, why
Speaker:Ed Mireles weren't you better armed?
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, and I'm thinking,
Speaker:Ed Mireles what are you talking about?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Why wasn't I better armed?
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, so well, you should have had
Speaker:Ed Mireles better guns and said, well, no kidding,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, you're
Speaker:Ed Mireles preaching to the choir here.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But then I turned the table on them and
Speaker:Ed Mireles say, okay, if you have a choice between
Speaker:Ed Mireles carrying, you know, something that you
Speaker:Ed Mireles want to carry and simply put an
Speaker:Ed Mireles unauthorized weapon,
Speaker:Ed Mireles okay, are you going to carry that
Speaker:Ed Mireles unauthorized weapon or unauthorized
Speaker:Ed Mireles ammunition and then run the risk of being
Speaker:Ed Mireles fired and or prosecuted by your agency?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And they go, well, what
Speaker:Ed Mireles are you talking about?
Speaker:Ed Mireles Say, hey, police officers, law
Speaker:Ed Mireles enforcement officers are only allowed to
Speaker:Ed Mireles carry what their departments issue them.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, I can't run out and buy a 44
Speaker:Ed Mireles Magnum, you know, on my
Speaker:Ed Mireles own and carry it on duty.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, if it's not an authorized weapon,
Speaker:Ed Mireles then I'm in violation of
Speaker:Ed Mireles the rules and regulations.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So, you know, that kind of puts them, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, brings them back in line, brings
Speaker:Ed Mireles them back to reality.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I have to remind remind people that,
Speaker:Ed Mireles hey, and as you said, in the 1980s,
Speaker:Ed Mireles police officers, agents were the only
Speaker:Ed Mireles authorized weapons we were we were
Speaker:Ed Mireles allowed to have were six shot revolvers.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And we weren't even
Speaker:Ed Mireles allowed to carry rifles.
Speaker:Ed Mireles At least in the cities, the agents out
Speaker:Ed Mireles West working the reservations out in
Speaker:Ed Mireles Idaho and Montana, they
Speaker:Ed Mireles could carry 308 rifles.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, but I was allowed
Speaker:Ed Mireles to carry only a shotgun.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I was armed with my
Speaker:Ed Mireles shotgun and my 38 revolver.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, that was that
Speaker:Ed Mireles was the order of the day.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Unfortunately, we came up and you
Speaker:Ed Mireles mentioned, you know, these guys's
Speaker:Ed Mireles background, I think, I think it may have
Speaker:Ed Mireles been Craig, you cannot overlook the fact
Speaker:Ed Mireles that plant maddox were army trained.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, I mean, you know, when you look at
Speaker:Ed Mireles our our military forces today, they're
Speaker:Ed Mireles the best in the world.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Some of the best troops in the world are
Speaker:Ed Mireles the 82nd airborne and the 101st airborne.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, and then there's Navy SEALs and
Speaker:Ed Mireles Delta forces and so on and so forth.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But by and large, as a unit, the 82nd
Speaker:Ed Mireles 101st airborne are some of the best
Speaker:Ed Mireles troops in the world.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They're highly, highly trained.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, and all sorts of weapons, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles and so on and so forth.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's what these two guys
Speaker:Ed Mireles platin maddox had as background.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were 101st airborne.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, now they may have only been
Speaker:Ed Mireles military police in the airborne, but they
Speaker:Ed Mireles were still airborne.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, so they were highly trained.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And as we found out during the shootout,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they were highly
Speaker:Ed Mireles trained and heavily armed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So Platt had the 30 round
Speaker:Ed Mireles magazine in an assault rifle.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's an assault style rifle.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And his partner had a 12 gauge shotgun.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So that rifle tipped
Speaker:Ed Mireles the balance towards them.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, there were eight eight FBI agents
Speaker:Ed Mireles against two bank robbers.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But that rifle evened the odds because
Speaker:Ed Mireles that rifle, you know, had more more
Speaker:Ed Mireles rounds in one magazine, I had six rounds
Speaker:Ed Mireles in my, my six shot revolver.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So if I had to fire 30 rounds, I would
Speaker:Ed Mireles have to reload five
Speaker:Ed Mireles times to fire 30 rounds.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He just had to keep pulling the trigger
Speaker:Ed Mireles firing, firing 30 rounds.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he had at the end of the gunfight, he
Speaker:Ed Mireles had had an evidence bag that
Speaker:Ed Mireles was found in in one of the cars.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He had an additional four or five 30
Speaker:Ed Mireles round magazines in their equipment bag.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Thank God they didn't get to use those.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, he only fired two two magazines.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Paul, he fired 60 rounds from
Speaker:Ed Mireles the from the from the rifle.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But you know, that that's, I mean, that's
Speaker:Ed Mireles a lot of rounds, you know, especially
Speaker:Ed Mireles when you're on the wrong end of them.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So but no, these guys were were highly
Speaker:Ed Mireles trained and heavily armed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And one of the points I like to make in
Speaker:Ed Mireles my book is that there's,
Speaker:Ed Mireles there's two sides to survival.
Speaker:Ed Mireles There's a physical side.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's the you know, the mechanics, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, cover concealment, maneuver,
Speaker:Ed Mireles flanking, and so on and so forth, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, shooting and stuff like that.
Speaker:Ed Mireles The other side of
Speaker:Ed Mireles survival is psychological.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, do you have what it takes to to to
Speaker:Ed Mireles survive the stress or, you know, the, the
Speaker:Ed Mireles horror, I guess, of a gunfight.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And you know what, there's an amazing
Speaker:Ed Mireles amount of people that have no idea.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, they have no idea whether they
Speaker:Ed Mireles could or couldn't do it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles We as law enforcement officers trained
Speaker:Ed Mireles trained for that every day.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's a mindset that you have to have.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And these two guys had that mindset.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, because they were well trained.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And they were well armed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, so and the military bearing, I
Speaker:Ed Mireles guess they had, they had
Speaker:Ed Mireles this military bearing that even
Speaker:Ed Mireles the Jose Cuyasso said, Hey, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they looked like they were military, they
Speaker:Ed Mireles were they were very disciplined, very,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, focused on things, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they didn't, you know, they didn't want
Speaker:Ed Mireles their eyes didn't wander around looking
Speaker:Ed Mireles for, you know, you know, not paying
Speaker:Ed Mireles attention to the topic.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So they were they were
Speaker:Ed Mireles tremendous adversaries.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, if you're going to run across
Speaker:Ed Mireles somebody, that's that
Speaker:Ed Mireles you don't want to run.
Speaker:Ed Mireles If you want to meet somebody that you
Speaker:Ed Mireles don't want to meet those two guys, okay,
Speaker:Ed Mireles highly trained, heavily armed, highly
Speaker:Ed Mireles motivated guys, okay.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And that's what they were pointed.
Speaker:Craig Floyd You talk about their their emotional
Speaker:Craig Floyd state, their psychology of survival.
Speaker:Craig Floyd They were actually hit
Speaker:Craig Floyd early on in the gun battle.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Is that not true?
Speaker:Craig Floyd They were both wounded, and yet they
Speaker:Craig Floyd somehow miraculously, you know, revive
Speaker:Craig Floyd themselves and kept shooting.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Right.
Speaker:Ed Mireles The driver of the Monte Carlo who at that
Speaker:Ed Mireles time was Maddox, he was shot right away.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He was shot through the wrist,
Speaker:Ed Mireles the right wrist when he was aiming his
Speaker:Ed Mireles shotgun at Ben Grogan.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And then right immediately after that
Speaker:Ed Mireles little exchange, Gordon McNeil, the
Speaker:Ed Mireles supervisor shot him twice.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Once right here in the in the face.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, and once right here in the in this
Speaker:Ed Mireles what they call the brachial plexus, the
Speaker:Ed Mireles shoulder area, it severed his
Speaker:Ed Mireles artery and and the his vein.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Forget what the mains are.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But not femoral.
Speaker:Ed Mireles The artery that controls brachial artery
Speaker:Ed Mireles and the brachial vein up here and the
Speaker:Ed Mireles brachial bundle, nerve bundle.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So basically, Gordon just this, this this
Speaker:Ed Mireles tool right here, this this
Speaker:Ed Mireles right arm just went down.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, he severed it completely.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But I talked to a doctor and said, Hey,
Speaker:Ed Mireles this hit on a normal person, you get shot
Speaker:Ed Mireles in the face with a
Speaker:Ed Mireles with a bullet like this.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It'll knock you out.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, I mean, it'll
Speaker:Ed Mireles knock you unconscious.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And depending in how long you're
Speaker:Ed Mireles unconscious depends on the individual.
Speaker:Ed Mireles If it was me, I'd probably be unconscious
Speaker:Ed Mireles for several minutes, you know, but he was
Speaker:Ed Mireles probably unconscious for only about, I
Speaker:Ed Mireles don't know, 20, 30 seconds before he
Speaker:Ed Mireles regained consciousness again.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And it's like, hey, he knew
Speaker:Ed Mireles he would, I'm speculating.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But he knew he was in trouble.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He knew he had to get out of the car.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And eventually he does on his own, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, volition, his own efforts, he gets
Speaker:Ed Mireles out of the stolen Monte Carlo gets out of
Speaker:Ed Mireles the car and goes over to hide behind some
Speaker:Ed Mireles of the civilian vehicles in the driveway.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, and eventually he makes it to Ben
Speaker:Ed Mireles Grogan's car to try to escape.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So yeah, they were highly motivated.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Absolutely.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And then getting back to the plant.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He was shot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles The very first hit he got was through his
Speaker:Ed Mireles right arm, it severed
Speaker:Ed Mireles his brachial artery.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And the round hit the side of his chest,
Speaker:Ed Mireles his right side of his chest, the round
Speaker:Ed Mireles penetrated his right lung.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And it stopped about an
Speaker:Ed Mireles inch short of his heart.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Excuse me.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I talked to a doctor about that.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And that doctor said that it was a non
Speaker:Ed Mireles survivable hit that he took.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And that hit was put
Speaker:Ed Mireles on him by Jerry Dove.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Like the first hit he got the first hit
Speaker:Ed Mireles plant received was a non survivable hit.
Speaker:Ed Mireles He was basically a walking dead man.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Unfortunately, he went on, he survived
Speaker:Ed Mireles another two three minutes.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And in that timeframe, he kept fighting
Speaker:Ed Mireles and fighting and
Speaker:Ed Mireles fighting trying to escape.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And he goes on to injure more agents and
Speaker:Ed Mireles he goes on to kill Ben and Jerry, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, as a result of that.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth So the question there would be, is there
Speaker:Bill Erfurth some kind of psychological thing was he
Speaker:Bill Erfurth just, or both of them rather, were they
Speaker:Bill Erfurth both flying high on adrenaline?
Speaker:Bill Erfurth And that's what kept them
Speaker:Bill Erfurth standing and returning fire.
Speaker:Bill Erfurth Or was there some kind of post autopsy
Speaker:Bill Erfurth toxicology report that they
Speaker:Bill Erfurth were full of dope or something?
Speaker:Ed Mireles When I lecture, when I teach classes, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, I always teach my audience, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, say, Hey, you know what, though?
Speaker:Ed Mireles I'm asked that same question, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles what, what, were they on drugs, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles were they on a math or coke or something?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I said, no, you know, they, but they
Speaker:Ed Mireles did have coffee in their system.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, but I said it was Colombian
Speaker:Ed Mireles coffee, you know, so that was
Speaker:Bill Erfurth a copy of the, the decade there.
Speaker:Speaker 5 You know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles I shouldn't, I shouldn't, you know, tease
Speaker:Ed Mireles Columbia, they take too many hits as it
Speaker:Ed Mireles is, you know, because of all the drug
Speaker:Ed Mireles dealers, but no, they had
Speaker:Ed Mireles Danish coffee in their system.
Speaker:Ed Mireles That's all they had.
Speaker:Ed Mireles These guys were, were a fitness fanatics.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were, I don't know, they weren't,
Speaker:Ed Mireles they weren't survivalists per se, but
Speaker:Ed Mireles they were survivalists before survivalist
Speaker:Ed Mireles or preppers were, was a thing.
Speaker:Dennis Collins Yeah.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles They were, they didn't go to the gym, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, they occasionally would jog, but
Speaker:Ed Mireles they were very fit and very conscious
Speaker:Ed Mireles about their, their wellness and the way
Speaker:Ed Mireles they looked and the way
Speaker:Ed Mireles they presented themselves.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But getting back to the, the, the
Speaker:Ed Mireles psychological side of survival, I mean,
Speaker:Ed Mireles that, that comes from training.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, granted, I mean,
Speaker:Ed Mireles I can't say that training is, is the
Speaker:Ed Mireles end all to end alls, because there are
Speaker:Ed Mireles some people out there that don't have any
Speaker:Ed Mireles training that want, that want, have a
Speaker:Ed Mireles strong will to survive.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So, but you, you, you combine a strong
Speaker:Ed Mireles personal will to survive
Speaker:Ed Mireles and couple it with training.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Oh my God.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, you, you can build a, you know, I
Speaker:Ed Mireles mean, so many medal of honor winners, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, should have been dead, but they
Speaker:Ed Mireles kept functioning and
Speaker:Ed Mireles going and going and going.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And let me, let me just jump in because
Speaker:Craig Floyd when we talk about the psychology of
Speaker:Craig Floyd survival and how some people have it, and
Speaker:Craig Floyd maybe others don't, you obviously had
Speaker:Craig Floyd yourself because you
Speaker:Craig Floyd were severely injured.
Speaker:Craig Floyd You're, you're, I think you're non
Speaker:Craig Floyd shooting hand, your left hand, your left
Speaker:Craig Floyd arm was debilitated
Speaker:Craig Floyd early in the shootout.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And, and yet somehow you survived.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And as all the other agents, now we have
Speaker:Craig Floyd Ben Grogan dead, Jerry doves died.
Speaker:Craig Floyd You have four other agents who were
Speaker:Craig Floyd seriously injured by the gunfire.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And yet you ended, you found some will to
Speaker:Craig Floyd survive some ability to fire without
Speaker:Craig Floyd having the other hand usable.
Speaker:Craig Floyd And you ended the gun shootout.
Speaker:Craig Floyd Tell us what was going through your mind
Speaker:Craig Floyd at that point in time and how you
Speaker:Craig Floyd ultimately ended it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Well, I have to be honest with the
Speaker:Ed Mireles listeners and the viewers, viewers, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, I mean, if I told you I wasn't
Speaker:Ed Mireles scared, I would be a liar, you know, so,
Speaker:Ed Mireles but
Speaker:Ed Mireles fear is not, I mean, fear is
Speaker:Ed Mireles not, what did churches say?
Speaker:Ed Mireles The only thing we have
Speaker:Ed Mireles to fear is fear itself.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And you have to acknowledge fear.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, everybody gets fearful or
Speaker:Ed Mireles apprehensive or some,
Speaker:Ed Mireles some level of anxiety.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I was, I started
Speaker:Ed Mireles going through certain stages.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I became, when the surveillance started,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, and, and this attention, all
Speaker:Ed Mireles units were behind the stolen Monte Carlo.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I got apprehensive.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles When we started doing the bumper cars, I
Speaker:Ed Mireles became a little fearful because I'm
Speaker:Ed Mireles thinking, okay, you know, I don't know
Speaker:Ed Mireles how this is going to end up, you know, or
Speaker:Ed Mireles where we're going to end up.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But, and I was still fearful when the
Speaker:Ed Mireles bullets were flying, because
Speaker:Ed Mireles I ended up across the street.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I had to cross like 50 yards of open
Speaker:Ed Mireles space to get to, to get to where the
Speaker:Ed Mireles subjects were because I had a shotgun and
Speaker:Ed Mireles the effective range of a shotgun on paper
Speaker:Ed Mireles might be 50 to 75 yards.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But in reality, if you want to be
Speaker:Ed Mireles effective against a human target, you,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you got to be closer.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I figured, Hey, I got to get closer to
Speaker:Ed Mireles these guys, 25 yards and then.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I ran across the street and the
Speaker:Ed Mireles bullets are whizzing by me.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, it's, again, Churchill said,
Speaker:Ed Mireles there's nothing more exhilarating than
Speaker:Ed Mireles hearing a bullet pass you by, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles as long as the bullet
Speaker:Ed Mireles doesn't hit you, you're okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But when I, this is a fantastic event.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I was shot by a two to three caliber or
Speaker:Ed Mireles five, five, four and five, six caliber,
Speaker:Ed Mireles five, four and five, six millimeter.
Speaker:Ed Mireles The round hit me right here, right where
Speaker:Ed Mireles my little finger is.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And
Speaker:Ed Mireles if you look at the way I am on the video
Speaker:Ed Mireles right now, if I had not hit my arm up in
Speaker:Ed Mireles this position as I'm running across the
Speaker:Ed Mireles street, I brought my, my shotgun up
Speaker:Ed Mireles because I had my muzzle pointing at
Speaker:Ed Mireles Gordon McNeil and my supervisor's back.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I'm thinking, Oh my God,
Speaker:Ed Mireles I got to worry about safety.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I brought the weapon up like this.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And that's when I got shot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, right here.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So imagine if the arm hadn't been there.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, where would that round have hit me?
Speaker:Ed Mireles It would have been a whole
Speaker:Ed Mireles different, you know, story,
Speaker:Ed Mireles but not only am I lucky, I'm lucky like
Speaker:Ed Mireles eight times over, you know, like a cat.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, it was an amazing physiological
Speaker:Ed Mireles reaction, because when I took the hit,
Speaker:Ed Mireles okay, that round almost
Speaker:Ed Mireles ripped my forearm off my body.
Speaker:Ed Mireles The only thing holding my arm to my body
Speaker:Ed Mireles was this bottom section of meat, the
Speaker:Ed Mireles muscles down here, and my forearm, my arm
Speaker:Ed Mireles was just completely destroyed.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And the only thing holding it up, you
Speaker:Ed Mireles know, holding it
Speaker:Ed Mireles attached to me was this part.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So here's, here's the
Speaker:Ed Mireles good, the good part.
Speaker:Ed Mireles When I took the hit, I had no idea.
Speaker:Ed Mireles People have asked me, Hey,
Speaker:Ed Mireles what's it feel like to get shot?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I look at him and I look him right in
Speaker:Ed Mireles the eyes, I don't know.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, and they look at me like I've
Speaker:Ed Mireles got two heads, you know, say, what, what
Speaker:Ed Mireles are you talking about, dude?
Speaker:Ed Mireles I said, Well, you know
Speaker:Ed Mireles what, I mean, I was shot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Yes, when I didn't know I was shot until
Speaker:Ed Mireles several minutes after
Speaker:Ed Mireles the fact that I was shot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, because this was so the human body
Speaker:Ed Mireles is such a fantastic machine.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, I this, the bullet almost ripped my
Speaker:Ed Mireles my hand off my body, felt
Speaker:Ed Mireles no pain, none whatsoever.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, I mean, I fell back
Speaker:Ed Mireles the physiological
Speaker:Ed Mireles reaction caused me to jerk back.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I was on my back, but I
Speaker:Ed Mireles had no idea what happened.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I didn't even know I've been shot for
Speaker:Ed Mireles about a minute afterwards.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I had the shotgun in
Speaker:Ed Mireles my right hand like this.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I'm trying to get up using my left
Speaker:Ed Mireles arm to push myself up because shooting
Speaker:Ed Mireles the shooting was still going on bullets
Speaker:Ed Mireles are still flying over my head.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I'm thinking, hey, I need to get into
Speaker:Ed Mireles this, you know, need
Speaker:Ed Mireles to get into this action.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And to say that I was not, I wasn't
Speaker:Ed Mireles normal at that point in time, because,
Speaker:Ed Mireles you know, my physiological state, after I
Speaker:Ed Mireles got hit, my body kind of went into like,
Speaker:Ed Mireles into a different mode,
Speaker:Ed Mireles went to survival mode.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, I, my, I got tunnel vision, my
Speaker:Ed Mireles hearing was lost, you know, and you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles I was just like walking in slow motion or
Speaker:Ed Mireles moving in slow motion, it
Speaker:Ed Mireles was just kind of strange.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But it wasn't until about a minute, after
Speaker:Ed Mireles I was shot, I'm thinking,
Speaker:Ed Mireles why is my left arm not working?
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I'm scanning for threats, I'm looking
Speaker:Ed Mireles up because I'm on my back.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I had to rip my eyes off the thread
Speaker:Ed Mireles points, to look down at my arm to see
Speaker:Ed Mireles what the what's going on here.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It wasn't until I looked and made a
Speaker:Ed Mireles visual inspection of my body, that I
Speaker:Ed Mireles realized that had been shot.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Now at that point, you know, you're
Speaker:Ed Mireles apprehensive, and you're fearful.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Being honest with the audience here, when
Speaker:Ed Mireles I saw that I'd been shot, and I saw that
Speaker:Ed Mireles my arm had all had practically been
Speaker:Ed Mireles ripped off my body, I went into terror.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I was terrified.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles But I had to maintain the discipline.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, the discipline, you know, state of
Speaker:Ed Mireles mind, you know,
Speaker:Ed Mireles think, hey, okay, it's bad.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You're still alive, you're still
Speaker:Ed Mireles breathing, you feel no pain.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And I'm looking at it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I at the time, I had a lot of first aid
Speaker:Ed Mireles classes in the military and in the FBI,
Speaker:Ed Mireles I'm looking at it, I'm assessing, I'm
Speaker:Ed Mireles thinking, Hey, this is survivable.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay, you have several minutes before you
Speaker:Ed Mireles again, it's all up here.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Okay.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I said to us, I have several minutes
Speaker:Ed Mireles before I get to a point
Speaker:Ed Mireles where it becomes a threat.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I just ignored it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Again, there's no pain.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So and I focused on the gunfight itself,
Speaker:Ed Mireles looking for the rest,
Speaker:Ed Mireles looking for threats.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And then I realized,
Speaker:Ed Mireles I tell people it gets better.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I realized, I saw movement out of the
Speaker:Ed Mireles corner of my eye, I'm
Speaker:Ed Mireles thinking, what the heck is that?
Speaker:Ed Mireles I looked up and I saw red, red spray,
Speaker:Ed Mireles spraying up, you know, past my feet.
Speaker:Ed Mireles You know, I'm thinking,
Speaker:Ed Mireles what the heck is that?
Speaker:Ed Mireles I looked up and I'm
Speaker:Ed Mireles thinking, Oh my God, it's blood.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I had, I had taken a second hit right
Speaker:Ed Mireles here across the temple area this way.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's it.
Speaker:Ed Mireles Luckily, it didn't, you know, break my
Speaker:Ed Mireles head, you know, but it just went
Speaker:Ed Mireles underneath the skin, severed the temporal
Speaker:Ed Mireles artery, and kind of kept going.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I'm thinking, okay, I've got arterial
Speaker:Ed Mireles bleeding, you know, so I put my hand up
Speaker:Ed Mireles like this, thinking, okay, and
Speaker:Ed Mireles unbeknownst to me, you know, when I was
Speaker:Ed Mireles doing this, I was compressing the wound.
Speaker:Ed Mireles And this flap of skin that was there,
Speaker:Ed Mireles pressed on the artery, artery and
Speaker:Ed Mireles prevented it from
Speaker:Ed Mireles from squirting blood out.
Speaker:Ed Mireles It's still still bled,
Speaker:Ed Mireles but it wasn't squirting.
Speaker:Ed Mireles So I totally ignored that.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, I wasn't fearful at that point in
Speaker:Ed Mireles time, because I was trying to survive and
Speaker:Ed Mireles thinking, Hey, this is all survivable.
Speaker:Ed Mireles I mean, I don't
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