Episode 40

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11th Feb 2026

When Enforcing the Law Makes You the Enemy

What happens when the people sworn to enforce the law are treated as the problem?

In this episode of Heroes Behind the Badge, we sit down with Chuck Marino, a former Secret Service agent and senior Department of Homeland Security official, for a clear-eyed conversation about a moment many people feel but struggle to explain.

This is not an argument.

It’s not a rally.

And it’s not a soundbite episode.

It’s a conversation about what changes when enforcement is confused with policy and when political rhetoric turns the men and women doing the job into targets.

We talk about:

  • Why law enforcement officers do not make the laws they are asked to enforce
  • How rhetoric and pressure can escalate real-world risk
  • What it feels like inside federal law enforcement right now
  • The difference between protest, politics, and responsibility
  • Why clarity matters when consequences are real

This episode isn’t designed to tell you what to think.

It’s designed to slow the moment down so you can see it more clearly.

If you wear the badge, this conversation is for you.

If you don’t, it may help you understand what’s being carried, often silently, by those who do.

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Transcript
Charles Marino:

You, can't do it.

Charles Marino:

It, the, two are contradictory.

Charles Marino:

The, very policies of sanctuary cities.

Charles Marino:

Not only endanger those in the community and, the country at large,

Charles Marino:

But they, also undercut law enforcement at all levels each and every day.

Charles Marino:

So they really defy common sense.

Charles Marino:

So when you hear a Governor Walz, or a Mayor Frey of Minneapolis, or even the

Charles Marino:

Attorney General from there stand up and say that they agree with the Department

Charles Marino:

Of Homeland Security when it comes to prioritizing public safety is just.

Charles Marino:

Outright ridiculous, and disingenuous and an insult to really everybody.

Craig Floyd:

You know, every year we have the Attorney General speak and we also

Craig Floyd:

Have the Secretary of Homeland Security speak, and that's because of Chuck Marino.

Craig Floyd:

He was working for Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.

Craig Floyd:

He called me up one day and he said, Craig, I love that you have the ag speak

Craig Floyd:

At your candlelight vigil, but what about the Secretary of Homeland Security?

Craig Floyd:

Huh?

Craig Floyd:

And a little respect there.

Craig Floyd:

And, Uh, we've been doing it ever since.

Craig Floyd:

It's a tradition that continues thanks to this gentleman.

Craig Floyd:

So,

Dennis Collins:

You know, Chuck, you said something I don't wanna miss here because

Dennis Collins:

You mentioned Obama administration, that's where you were serving at the DHS.

Dennis Collins:

Okay.

Dennis Collins:

What about these sanctuary cities?

Dennis Collins:

Mm-hmm.

Dennis Collins:

You know, they existed during the Obama administration and here, and

Dennis Collins:

I, you know, I'm listening to all the chatter and here's what I'm

Dennis Collins:

Hearing, and I'd love your opinion.

Dennis Collins:

Number one, how did Obama's administration handle those?

Dennis Collins:

And number two, is that your view that the sanctuary cities are

Dennis Collins:

At the very heart of this mess?

Charles Marino:

You can't say that you are a sanctuary city and then

Charles Marino:

Also say you prioritize public safety.

Charles Marino:

The difference is, you're right, sanctuary cities have existed for a long time.

Charles Marino:

The Obama administration did have to deal with sanctuary cities while they

Charles Marino:

Were doing the same things that the Trump administration is doing right now.

Charles Marino:

Um, the difference is those communities, while they still prevented

Charles Marino:

State and local law enforcement from working collaboratively with

Charles Marino:

Federal officials, they did not incite and they did not obstruct.

Charles Marino:

That's what we see now.

Charles Marino:

Now we see politicians playing an active role.

Charles Marino:

In literally creating a more dangerous environment and totally abandoning

Charles Marino:

Not only their state and local responsibilities like dealing with

Charles Marino:

Protestors, but also obstructing federal agents at every step they can.

Charles Marino:

Uh, and then you've got the courts, which are different, which we didn't have to

Charles Marino:

Deal with during the Obama administration.

Charles Marino:

Uh, and that was, you now have activist judges.

Charles Marino:

Within these sanctuary districts that also try and do everything

Charles Marino:

They can to slow down the process.

Charles Marino:

And oh, by the way, those courts don't have a very good batting average

Charles Marino:

When it comes to being overturned.

Charles Marino:

The Trump administration up to and including last, late last

Charles Marino:

Week, Uh, Minnesota had filed to stop the federal operations.

Dennis Collins:

Yes.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

And, and they were overruled.

Charles Marino:

Absolutely.

Charles Marino:

Uh, a, a lower court had agreed with them, and a higher court, said,

Charles Marino:

No, you can't have a state that is now impeding federal operations,

Charles Marino:

No matter how much you hate it.

Dennis Collins:

Chuck and I'm glad you you brought that up because Heroes

Dennis Collins:

Behind the Badge and Citizens Behind the Badge are sponsoring organization.

Dennis Collins:

We're all about supporting law enforcement.

Dennis Collins:

That's what we do.

Dennis Collins:

We are about the men and women of law enforcement.

Dennis Collins:

So put yourself back in your shoes as law enforcement officer and put yourself

Dennis Collins:

In the shoes of today's law enforcement officers who are trying to enforce laws.

Dennis Collins:

That are being challenged.

Dennis Collins:

How do they feel with the, venom and the toxicity that's being spewed out there?

Dennis Collins:

What's inside the head of the law enforcement officers?

Charles Marino:

Well, at the federal level, I can tell you

Charles Marino:

That morale's never been higher.

Charles Marino:

From what I hear within ICE and CBP, because let's remember, they're

Charles Marino:

Coming off of four years of not being allowed to do their jobs.

Charles Marino:

Yeah, good point.

Charles Marino:

And, and if you look at the statistics, if you look purely at the metrics of success.

Charles Marino:

Look at those border numbers.

Charles Marino:

You know, previous secretaries used to think that, anything a

Charles Marino:

Thousand, encounters on the Southwest border or higher was a crisis,

Dennis Collins:

Right?

Charles Marino:

I mean, we're down at single digits.

Charles Marino:

Zero, zero releases into the country.

Charles Marino:

So that means if you're here illegally, you come up with a claim of amnesty, or,

Charles Marino:

Uh, asylum, Uh, rather then that you were, you, historically you were released into

Charles Marino:

The country until your asylum hearing.

Charles Marino:

And, and that's been stopped.

Charles Marino:

Uh, that was a loophole that's been stopped.

Charles Marino:

So, but I, I gotta tell you, I think the goal.

Charles Marino:

From at least Minnesota has been, to make the job of ICE and CBP as hard

Charles Marino:

And as publicly messy as possible.

Charles Marino:

That's why I think what President Trump said.

Charles Marino:

Over the weekend, Uh, was genius and that is they got sucked in having ICE

Charles Marino:

And CBP, Uh, dealing with protestors.

Charles Marino:

No, don't do that.

Charles Marino:

That's not their job.

Charles Marino:

If they know the law enforcement's abandoning you, then why are you picking

Charles Marino:

Up responsibility and doing their jobs?

Charles Marino:

Which by the way, is gonna be the messiest part.

Dennis Collins:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah, that's a great a hundred percent.

Bill Erfurth:

And I want to, I want to go back to, Uh, to what you said, which is probably

Bill Erfurth:

Going to be a surprise or a shocker to some people about the morale and

Bill Erfurth:

The Feds being so high at the moment.

Bill Erfurth:

But quite frankly, you know, law enforcement expects to be shit on, expects

Bill Erfurth:

To have all kinds of problems with the scum of the earth that they're dealing

Bill Erfurth:

With out on the streets and whatnot.

Bill Erfurth:

But, you know, the biggest problem with morale generally is.

Bill Erfurth:

Internal, and it's how you're treated internally by the bosses.

Bill Erfurth:

Any number of of political things that affects you from the inside.

Bill Erfurth:

With the Trump administration support of federal law enforcement across the board

Bill Erfurth:

Right now, it's gotta be a huge boom, Uh, for the federal law enforcement officers.

Bill Erfurth:

And, and Chuck, maybe you can just expound on this a little

Bill Erfurth:

Bit, was my understanding.

Bill Erfurth:

I heard that there was something like 10,000 applications, Uh, that had come in.

Bill Erfurth:

To, Uh, DHS since Trump took office.

Charles Marino:

Well, yeah, and, the other thing is the old saying, you

Charles Marino:

Know, don't tell me what you value.

Charles Marino:

Show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value.

Charles Marino:

Look at the money.

Charles Marino:

That CBP and ICE have received under the big beautiful bill.

Charles Marino:

Which is funny because we've got this, partial shutdown right now

Charles Marino:

Because of DHS Democrats say, and because of the operations of ICE.

Charles Marino:

But this partial shutdown doesn't hurt ICE in any.

Charles Marino:

Way at all, nor does it hurt CBP because they are so plush with cash

Charles Marino:

From that big, beautiful bill that operations are gonna continue unimpeded.

Charles Marino:

And oh, by the way, all of those employees are gonna continue showing up

Charles Marino:

To work during any type of a shutdown because they're essential personnel.

Charles Marino:

And so not only are they gonna keep showing up and doing the job,

Charles Marino:

They're also gonna be back paid.

Charles Marino:

And so this isn't having the effect that Democrats think,

Charles Marino:

Uh, it would on law enforcement.

Charles Marino:

But yeah, no, look, the morale is important.

Charles Marino:

The applications are through the roof and they're being allowed to do their

Charles Marino:

Jobs, and people like to see results and you know, that's what they're saying.

Bill Erfurth:

Maybe you can expound a little bit because there's been a

Bill Erfurth:

Narrative going around, especially in the liberal media, about the fact

Bill Erfurth:

That these folks that are now coming out of the academy working for the

Bill Erfurth:

Feds are not sufficiently trained.

Bill Erfurth:

What say you.

Charles Marino:

Yeah, I mean, they're going through the same type of training.

Charles Marino:

It is not abbreviated, but I would say all of the agencies, throughout DHS have taken

Charles Marino:

A hard look over the years at training.

Charles Marino:

And can it be consolidated in certain areas?

Charles Marino:

And I think, of course, the answer is yes.

Charles Marino:

They're doing it to save money.

Charles Marino:

They're doing it to get.

Charles Marino:

Agents operational out onto the streets a little bit sooner.

Charles Marino:

But as far as the context in which the perceived lack of training being put forth

Charles Marino:

By Democrats, is, it's not happening.

Charles Marino:

They're still going through adequate and ample use of force training.

Charles Marino:

They're still going through ample firearms training.

Charles Marino:

You know, let's not forget too many of these.

Charles Marino:

Folks are also coming from previous law enforcement careers at the state and

Charles Marino:

Local level, or the military, and so there are no strangers to use of force policy.

Charles Marino:

There are no strangers to handling firearms, and so I think that's

Charles Marino:

Just a bunch of nonsense, but it goes to the overall narrative.

Charles Marino:

The Democrats wanna play, right?

Charles Marino:

They're outta control.

Charles Marino:

Uh, this is messy.

Charles Marino:

There's no, for forethought given to this, and they're just throwing agents out onto

Charles Marino:

The street to execute this operations.

Charles Marino:

When in all reality, Tom Homan and Kristi Noem were always honest with

Charles Marino:

Sanctuary cities, and they said, less, the less you cooperate the more agents

Charles Marino:

You're gonna see in your communities.

Craig Floyd:

Chuck one.

Craig Floyd:

One of the things that bothers me most about what's happening in Minneapolis

Craig Floyd:

Is ICE agents have become the enemy.

Craig Floyd:

All right.

Craig Floyd:

Governor Tim Walz, the Governor in Minnesota has said We are at war.

Craig Floyd:

Basically he's declaring war between the citizens of Minnesota

Craig Floyd:

And the ICE agents that are there.

Craig Floyd:

Now here's the problem, ICE agents don't set policy, alright?

Craig Floyd:

They're not the political leaders that tell them what to do or where to go.

Craig Floyd:

They have a job to do to protect this nation, to provide national

Craig Floyd:

Security, and peace, hopefully in the streets of America.

Craig Floyd:

But in Minneapolis, that's not happening.

Craig Floyd:

That the people have basically.

Craig Floyd:

Um, going to war against ICE Agents and I I, I'd love your comment on that.

Craig Floyd:

I mean, you served as a Secret Service agent for many years.

Craig Floyd:

You served at the Department of, Homeland Security for many years.

Craig Floyd:

Uh.

Craig Floyd:

And yet ICE agents all of a sudden are the enemy.

Craig Floyd:

The officers who are trying to enforce the laws of this country in a lawful

Craig Floyd:

Manner, Uh, have become the enemy.

Craig Floyd:

And this is frustrating to me because you can protest the policies.

Craig Floyd:

You, you may not like a particular law.

Craig Floyd:

You can vote out those legislators that enacted those laws,

Craig Floyd:

But it's not the ICE agents.

Craig Floyd:

That are setting policy or deciding, Uh, where to go and how to do their job.

Craig Floyd:

They're just out there.

Craig Floyd:

They've been told what to do, they're doing it, and frankly, it's a very

Craig Floyd:

Difficult job, a very dangerous job.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, your comment.

Charles Marino:

Well, you know, it's pretty interesting that sanctuary

Charles Marino:

Cities in general are going after law enforcement, ICE agents and

Charles Marino:

CBP agents the way that they are.

Charles Marino:

Typically politics used to stay exactly there, right?

Charles Marino:

Aim, your aim, your rhetoric at the, you know, the head of the executive branch,

Charles Marino:

The president of the United States.

Charles Marino:

But I'll take it another step further.

Charles Marino:

You know what's interesting?

Charles Marino:

You never hear come out of somebody like Governor Walz's mouth.

Charles Marino:

Is the role that Congress plays here.

Charles Marino:

I mean, to your point, this is a no-brainer.

Charles Marino:

Congress passes the laws and the executive branch ICE and CBP enforce them,

Charles Marino:

And, all the way up to the president.

Charles Marino:

The president's, right when he says, look, it's my job to enforce the laws.

Charles Marino:

You've heard Barack Obama say the same thing.

Charles Marino:

It's not my job to choose between right and wrong and what laws I'm going to

Charles Marino:

Enforce on a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and what laws I'm not gonna

Charles Marino:

Enforce on Tuesdays and Thursdays.

Charles Marino:

That's not the way it works.

Charles Marino:

My job is to enforce the laws that are on the books and this is what I'm gonna do.

Charles Marino:

To, to, for a politician to take issue with the men and women, Uh, that are doing

Charles Marino:

Jobs that are much, much more dangerous.

Charles Marino:

Than theirs.

Charles Marino:

You know, which is why it always amuses me when they incite all this rhetoric

Charles Marino:

Usually standing behind their gates in their house, which are being protected

Charles Marino:

By guess who law enforcement and, you know, but yet they throw these arrows

Charles Marino:

And it makes the job much more dangerous.

Charles Marino:

As a law enforcement officer, it's infuriating.

Charles Marino:

Because you've got things like dosing going on that's giving up

Charles Marino:

Not only the personal information of the agents, but also the families.

Charles Marino:

It's endangering, you know, their kids.

Charles Marino:

Uh, and it's a gross misrepresentation of what they're doing when you really,

Charles Marino:

If you're staying honest about it, when you look at the totality of threats

Charles Marino:

That were allowed into the country.

Charles Marino:

From 180 different countries that were encountered many special interest

Charles Marino:

Locations that no matter how much Biden and Mayorkas said they were vetted,

Charles Marino:

There's no feasible way to thoroughly vet these people coming from these locations.

Charles Marino:

'cause there's no systems to vet against.

Charles Marino:

So when you think about the threats in that totality, why aren't these sanctuary

Charles Marino:

Politicians taking issues with Congress?

Charles Marino:

I, Democrat, you know, we including Democrats,

Bill Erfurth:

Just clowns.

Bill Erfurth:

They're, these people are clowns.

Bill Erfurth:

You know, you talk about Mayorkas, my God, Mayorkas was just a pathetic liar.

Bill Erfurth:

How could you boldface get in front of I, I, I hope to see that

Bill Erfurth:

They do something about this.

Bill Erfurth:

But you know, as we're harping on Minnesota, I've got some statistics here.

Bill Erfurth:

You know, there's 1,370 detainers in Minnesota.

Bill Erfurth:

Those are illegals, criminals that are being held in the jails.

Bill Erfurth:

We should talk a little bit about that because I don't think they're

Bill Erfurth:

Talking about this on mainstream media.

Bill Erfurth:

The fact of the matter is if these sanctuary cities were just cooperating

Bill Erfurth:

And allowing law enforcement to go into the jails, I hear Homan say this.

Bill Erfurth:

I hear a number of people say this.

Bill Erfurth:

It takes one or two agents to go into the jail.

Bill Erfurth:

It's a peaceful transfer.

Bill Erfurth:

Mm-hmm.

Bill Erfurth:

There's not gonna be violence.

Bill Erfurth:

Everybody's protected.

Bill Erfurth:

You're in the security of the jail versus sending a team out to go get these guys.

Bill Erfurth:

Chuck, maybe talk a little bit about the dynamics of that.

Charles Marino:

Yeah, well that was the point You just hit on

Charles Marino:

The number of detainers, Uh, that are not being honored statewide.

Charles Marino:

And this goes to part of the strategy, which by the way, was also the

Charles Marino:

Strategy of the Obama administration.

Charles Marino:

Uh, we used to have a program called 287(g), Uh, which was called Secure

Charles Marino:

Communities, where you started deputizing state and local law enforcement, Uh,

Charles Marino:

To enforce immigration law, to kind of be a force multiplier for ICE.

Charles Marino:

But yet, you're right.

Charles Marino:

And this is, to my earlier point about creating a a lot

Charles Marino:

Safer environment for everybody.

Charles Marino:

A lot less messy when you allow ICE agents into the jails.

Charles Marino:

When you have those immigration detainers being honored, not just by

Charles Marino:

The state, but also at the local levels.

Charles Marino:

They're the majority, when it comes to controlling all of these jails, right?

Charles Marino:

And also allowing state and local law enforcement to

Charles Marino:

Cooperate with ICE and CBP now.

Charles Marino:

I think the administration would tell you be the first to tell you that

Charles Marino:

They're not expecting state and locals in Minnesota to help them enforce immigration

Charles Marino:

Law because of the sanctuary policy.

Charles Marino:

But what they are doing is they're expecting them to show up if ICE

Charles Marino:

Agents, Uh, become over, over, Uh.

Charles Marino:

Burdened.

Charles Marino:

Overwhelmed.

Charles Marino:

Yes.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

Overwhelmed by these protests.

Charles Marino:

Or There's a public safety issue with ICE agents and they expect

Charles Marino:

Them to share intelligence.

Charles Marino:

Hey, share intelligence.

Dennis Collins:

I, I wanna, I, you made a, a very important point here about, what

Dennis Collins:

Is needed, the cooperation that's needed between the feds and the local and states.

Dennis Collins:

Let's, go back to Tom Homan.

Dennis Collins:

I, I thought Homan made a world class a masterclass speech last week

Dennis Collins:

On the solutions to this problem.

Dennis Collins:

One of his solutions is that if indeed the city.

Dennis Collins:

State governments of Minnesota will allow him and his agents to go into

Dennis Collins:

These jails and pick up these people without, a protest or violence that

Dennis Collins:

He will consider moving out some of the troops, some of the, Uh, the, Uh,

Dennis Collins:

ICE agents and border patrol people.

Dennis Collins:

Give us some thoughts on what Homan said.

Dennis Collins:

Do you think?

Dennis Collins:

It's gonna hold, you know, he claims that they gave him some agreement, but then

Dennis Collins:

Some of the rhetoric after that speech he gave seemed to kind of go backwards.

Dennis Collins:

But what, what is your, what your thoughts.

Charles Marino:

Sanctuary cities have a very bad habit of not keeping promises.

Charles Marino:

Just think about the promise that Eric Adams made in New York to Tom Homan

Charles Marino:

To his face about letting ICE agents in the Rikers and it never happened.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

Uh, and that was at the beginning of the administration when Eric

Charles Marino:

Adams was found himself, at odds.

Charles Marino:

With the White House and, and a at, Uh, at odds with the Democratic party.

Charles Marino:

So, they never let 'em into Rikers Island.

Charles Marino:

And that's indicative of how sanctuary cities, make and

Charles Marino:

Then don't keep, keep promises.

Charles Marino:

But you're right.

Charles Marino:

Every action has a reaction.

Charles Marino:

And I think here, if you put the action on the city and of Minneapolis and Minnesota.

Charles Marino:

If they were to do the right thing, then that allows, Uh, Tom Homan, Uh,

Charles Marino:

And Kristi Noem to rightsize operations.

Charles Marino:

Uh, that is to look at the numbers and say, do we need to hit the streets

Charles Marino:

The way we've been hitting them, as hard as we've been hitting them,

Charles Marino:

Because we're getting no help at all.

Charles Marino:

And I think the answer is they'd rather.

Charles Marino:

Decrease those numbers on the street.

Charles Marino:

They'd rather it be a lot safer.

Charles Marino:

They'd rather have less interactions with the general public as they're

Charles Marino:

Looking for these, Uh, national security threats throughout the city.

Charles Marino:

But let's face it, I mean, sanctuary cities are where you have to go.

Charles Marino:

Where you have to stay when you're looking for all these threats

Charles Marino:

That came into the country.

Charles Marino:

I mean, this is where they're being harbored.

Charles Marino:

This is where they're being protected.

Charles Marino:

This is where they're being released over and over, back out onto the

Charles Marino:

Streets to commit more crimes.

Charles Marino:

From a strategic standpoint on the, from the side of ICE and CBP sanctuary, cities

Charles Marino:

Are the natural place you need to go.

Craig Floyd:

Isn't that, you know, Minneapolis Absolutely problem.

Craig Floyd:

Go ahead.

Craig Floyd:

Go ahead.

Craig Floyd:

The citizens of Minneapolis, they, they don't seem to appreciate the

Craig Floyd:

Fact that ICE agents are there in their city trying to rid them of

Craig Floyd:

These serious, Uh, criminals Yeah.

Craig Floyd:

That have come in from, Uh, foreign countries illegally.

Craig Floyd:

And ICE agents are doing them a favor by, Uh, making their city safer if they

Craig Floyd:

Let them do their job and do it safely.

Craig Floyd:

I think you make a great point that if, if they got the cooperation

Craig Floyd:

From the locals, they wouldn't, put themselves at such great risk.

Craig Floyd:

The ICE agents, all right.

Craig Floyd:

Right.

Craig Floyd:

They are being, Uh, rocks are being thrown at them.

Craig Floyd:

People are coming to protest with guns.

Craig Floyd:

I mean, we saw that with Preti.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, not a smart thing to do and, and unfortunately.

Craig Floyd:

Late, he tragically lost his life.

Craig Floyd:

I mean, this is what, I think, upsets me that there's a lot of ignorance out there,

Craig Floyd:

Especially in the sanctuary cities about why ICE agents are trying to do a job to

Craig Floyd:

Help them and keep their community safer.

Bill Erfurth:

I, I wanna just expound on that.

Bill Erfurth:

I think that there's a lot of ignorant people that are out there protesting

Bill Erfurth:

In Minneapolis, but I think it's far deeper than this, the dynamic

Bill Erfurth:

When we're talking about sanctuary cities, I think Minneapolis is way

Bill Erfurth:

Different than a lot of places.

Bill Erfurth:

And why it is right now is because they're trying to distract.

Bill Erfurth:

Look at this shiny object over here.

Bill Erfurth:

Don't focus so much on all this fraud that's going on.

Bill Erfurth:

And I think people like tampon, Tim and the, and the emasculated

Bill Erfurth:

Putts, it's the mayor there.

Bill Erfurth:

Mm-hmm.

Bill Erfurth:

And the lap dog, police chief, and all those people,

Bill Erfurth:

They're going along with this.

Bill Erfurth:

They're encouraging all of this.

Bill Erfurth:

Anarchy to take place because it's, it's taking away that focus because

Bill Erfurth:

Before all this happened, it was all about the amount of fraud that

Bill Erfurth:

Was going on in Minneapolis and now they're not talking about it as much.

Charles Marino:

This is definitely a diversionary tactic.

Charles Marino:

For sure.

Charles Marino:

There, there's no, there's no doubt about it.

Charles Marino:

The more they can talk about ICE and CBP and, and, you know, the perceived

Charles Marino:

Mess that this is causing in their community, the less they're talking

Charles Marino:

About that fraud, which is in the billions and we'll probably be one of

Charles Marino:

The biggest stories and, and, and, Uh, crimes of fraud to ever hit this country.

Charles Marino:

It'll make the COVID fraud look like, it was nothing.

Charles Marino:

But look, this is what happens when you have politicians that not only

Charles Marino:

Wanna enrich themselves, but also, wanna prioritize those that shouldn't

Charles Marino:

Be in the country in the first place, believe they're entitled to Absolutely.

Charles Marino:

Everything, Uh, that would traditionally go to the American public first for those,

Charles Marino:

Uh, for those that are truly in need.

Charles Marino:

But no, you're, look, you're right.

Charles Marino:

I mean, it's just, it's irresponsible.

Charles Marino:

In some cases we're gonna find it's criminal.

Charles Marino:

And let's remember we keep talking about the protests.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

There's some local organic groups that are protesting.

Charles Marino:

And you know what?

Charles Marino:

They're probably peaceful, but it's these, it's the outside organized

Charles Marino:

Groups that you're gonna find a lot of democratic money behind.

Charles Marino:

You're gonna find foreign influence, typically from an adversary, Uh,

Charles Marino:

To fund and organize these groups that historically come from outside

Charles Marino:

Of the area, have no interest.

Charles Marino:

And oh, by the way.

Charles Marino:

If this weren't a protest about immigration but was a protest of the

Charles Marino:

Middle East, you would see the same people showing up for the same protests and they

Charles Marino:

Have no idea what they're doing there.

Charles Marino:

They couldn't explain the issues to you.

Charles Marino:

They have no, they have, yeah, they have no thought, thoughts on this, that

Charles Marino:

We would consider well thought out.

Charles Marino:

And so that's what they do.

Charles Marino:

They come in, they cause turmoil.

Charles Marino:

We saw it in 2020.

Charles Marino:

When Minneapolis burned, when they walked away from police

Charles Marino:

Departments and gave up those cities.

Charles Marino:

So this really is.

Charles Marino:

On the side of the Democrats, I think another black eye for them amongst

Charles Marino:

The voting population that are law abiding, that are supporters of law

Charles Marino:

Enforcement like we all are, and wanna see the laws of this country enforced.

Craig Floyd:

Chuck what, Uh, the Philadelphia Sheriff the other day, Um,

Craig Floyd:

Called the ICE agents, wannabe cops, basically acting as if they, they didn't

Craig Floyd:

Really have law enforcement status.

Craig Floyd:

They weren't properly trained.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, she even threatened to arrest ICE agents if they came into the city of

Craig Floyd:

Philadelphia, which was outrageous.

Craig Floyd:

I, I thank you as much as anybody.

Craig Floyd:

Former Secret Service agent served at the Department of Homeland Security.

Craig Floyd:

I think you have a, a great understanding and appreciation for the job.

Craig Floyd:

ICE agents do the training, they have the, importance to this country.

Craig Floyd:

I'd like you to comment on that.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

Well, I gotta tell you, I, I would, and, and I've heard that sheriff

Charles Marino:

In Philadelphia, I've heard what she's had to say now, quite a few

Charles Marino:

Times and I'd love to know where the National Sheriff's Association is.

Charles Marino:

With her.

Charles Marino:

Really, whatever.

Charles Marino:

Whatever happened to the days of picking up the phone and telling

Charles Marino:

Somebody to shut up that they were embarrassing the profession.

Charles Marino:

What?

Charles Marino:

That's See?

Charles Marino:

Yeah, that's a good point.

Charles Marino:

See, that's part of the problem.

Dennis Collins:

Maybe they're listening.

Charles Marino:

That's part of the problem.

Charles Marino:

I hope they are.

Charles Marino:

And look, yeah, it goes for major city chiefs.

Charles Marino:

It goes for the IACP.

Charles Marino:

Where are you?

Charles Marino:

You got this?

Charles Marino:

LA I think Craig, you called the list this chief, the lap

Charles Marino:

Dog, out in, Uh, Minneapolis.

Charles Marino:

Where's major City Chiefs calling this guy up and saying, what?

Charles Marino:

Is there something wrong with you?

Charles Marino:

I couldn't

Bill Erfurth:

Be more on target about that.

Bill Erfurth:

The lack of, of leadership, the lack of balls, you know, stand up for the

Bill Erfurth:

Troops, stand up, do the right thing.

Bill Erfurth:

It's shocking that people are so worried about hurting somebody's feelings.

Bill Erfurth:

Bullshit.

Bill Erfurth:

You know, you've just gotta be, we were talking about this the other day.

Bill Erfurth:

Dumbing of America.

Bill Erfurth:

It's almost like the dumbing of law enforcement.

Bill Erfurth:

You've got some of these DEI hires that are leading agencies that are dumber than

Bill Erfurth:

Rocks, and they are an embarrassment.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

And they need to be challenged.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

And ultimately, look, I mean, it's, it's a problem that only the people

Charles Marino:

Can solve in those communities because they're the ones that are voting.

Charles Marino:

You're the voters for this.

Charles Marino:

And so, ultimately you gotta, you gotta look at it almost at

Charles Marino:

The, you know, the micro level.

Charles Marino:

And you gotta say, well look who's ultimately to blame for this?

Charles Marino:

We, you know, did the v were the voters not able to tell?

Charles Marino:

What this person was going to do and what they were gonna prioritize and,

Charles Marino:

And and so, but yeah, I think, look, I think sometimes somebody needs to pick

Charles Marino:

Up the phone and say, enough is enough.

Charles Marino:

You are killing us as sheriffs around this country.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

And this is not what we do and this is not what we say.

Charles Marino:

And we certainly don't talk about arresting.

Charles Marino:

Uh, yeah.

Charles Marino:

I'm sure other, other law enforcement officers when

Charles Marino:

They're legally doing their jobs.

Dennis Collins:

Exactly.

Charles Marino:

Exactly.

Charles Marino:

That's key.

Charles Marino:

The, these guy, these, these men and women are doing the jobs according to the

Charles Marino:

Laws and to their statutory authorities.

Dennis Collins:

So, Chuck, you're the founder and CEO of your very own, Uh,

Dennis Collins:

Global security firm called Sentinel.

Bill Erfurth:

Yes.

Dennis Collins:

And, Uh, so you are, after your life, after Secret Service

Dennis Collins:

Involves, Uh, some very high level.

Dennis Collins:

Security and, Uh, intelligence advisory jobs.

Bill Erfurth:

Yes.

Dennis Collins:

I would love your input as a CEO, as a leader, as a security

Dennis Collins:

And intelligence leader in this country.

Dennis Collins:

If you were in charge, if all of a sudden they called up and say, Chuck,

Dennis Collins:

Take over this mess and fix it.

Dennis Collins:

Give us Chuck's solution to this mess that's going on up in Minneapolis.

Charles Marino:

It goes well beyond Minneapolis, right?

Charles Marino:

Minneapolis is one of the things.

Charles Marino:

First thing that I've spoken about extensively is there is no

Charles Marino:

Way that federal taxpayers should still be funding sanctuary cities.

Charles Marino:

Especially when we talk about, as Craig knows very well, especially

Charles Marino:

When we talk about all of these public safety grants that come from

Charles Marino:

DHS and the Department of Justice.

Charles Marino:

I mean, we're talking about billions and billions of dollars.

Charles Marino:

I mean, you look at New York City alone, it's almost a billion

Charles Marino:

Dollars in terms of all the types of aid that they get, Uh, to help.

Charles Marino:

Public safety, implement public safety policies and Uh, and terrorism prevention.

Charles Marino:

So why, again, if you have a city, Uh, that does not believe in enforcing any

Charles Marino:

Part of the law, and as much as we used to say that Homeland Security begins with

Charles Marino:

Home town security and you have hometowns within sanctuary states that do nothing

Charles Marino:

To move forward public safety, why do we consider continue to reward this?

Charles Marino:

And consider this to be successful policies.

Charles Marino:

And so the first thing is you gotta use the power of the purse.

Charles Marino:

And I don't think to date that the Trump administration has exhausted that, Uh, as,

Charles Marino:

As much as they could through the courts.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah, I think that was challenged, wasn't it?

Bill Erfurth:

I think it was.

Bill Erfurth:

I think they tried to do that.

Bill Erfurth:

It got challenged in court, and then I just saw this week that there was some

Bill Erfurth:

Senator or congressman that actually was talking about legislation to

Charles Marino:

Lindsey Graham.

Dennis Collins:

Lindsey Graham.

Dennis Collins:

Yeah, yeah,

Charles Marino:

Exactly.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

But you're, you're right.

Charles Marino:

But you've gotta exhaust the court system.

Charles Marino:

Because if you look at the cases that have gone to the Supreme Court,

Charles Marino:

That's another area that the Trump administration's done very well.

Charles Marino:

Um, I think they've only taken one or two losses in the Supreme Court and all

Charles Marino:

These other cases, Uh, they have won.

Charles Marino:

When it comes to, when it comes to immigration, I love what the

Charles Marino:

Administration is doing, in terms of this multifaceted approach.

Charles Marino:

You know, you've gotta deal with the, your own hemisphere, the western hemisphere.

Charles Marino:

You've gotta deal with places like Venezuela and Mexico and Colombia.

Charles Marino:

You got, I, I was a, a firm believer in, Uh, designating the cartels

Charles Marino:

And these violent gangs as, Uh, foreign terrorist organizations.

Charles Marino:

Yep.

Charles Marino:

It gives the executive branch a lot more authorities when

Charles Marino:

It comes to going after them.

Charles Marino:

And I like what we're doing here with the, with our own border.

Charles Marino:

This is a walk and chew gum strategy.

Charles Marino:

It had to be.

Charles Marino:

And I think when you look at this.

Charles Marino:

This strategic approach holistically by the Trump administration.

Charles Marino:

You see that they're hitting all of the areas that they need to, Uh, right now.

Charles Marino:

And the numbers, again, back to the numbers.

Charles Marino:

Look at fentanyl.

Charles Marino:

Fentanyl is dropping.

Charles Marino:

Look at, Uh, the drug, Uh, the movement of drugs on the waterway

Charles Marino:

Is coming from Venezuela.

Charles Marino:

That's down 97%.

Charles Marino:

I know, by the way.

Charles Marino:

That's not, not only impacting drugs that are leaving Venezuela, it's drugs

Charles Marino:

That are coming via the waterways through other locations as well too.

Charles Marino:

I think there's still room to get a lot tougher with Mexico.

Charles Marino:

Uh, Mexico is something I've paid attention to for a very, very long time.

Charles Marino:

The level of corruption and fear and intimidation.

Charles Marino:

Look, when you've got the cartels as the third largest employer

Charles Marino:

In the country, that's not good.

Dennis Collins:

Wow.

Dennis Collins:

Yeah,

Charles Marino:

That's not good.

Charles Marino:

And a lot of people don't realize, they operate like legitimate

Charles Marino:

Businesses operate in terms of their structure, and how they look at money.

Charles Marino:

But of course, everything that they're involved in, is a detriment.

Charles Marino:

Not only to Mexico, but to the United States.

Charles Marino:

A threat to the United States.

Charles Marino:

And I gotta tell you, anybody that steps outta line and voices

Charles Marino:

Opposition to them from a governmental standpoint is usually eliminated.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

Chuck, I just wanna reiterate that because that's such a massive, Uh,

Bill Erfurth:

Statistic and, and point that in Mexico, the cartels are the third.

Bill Erfurth:

Largest employer in the country that, that's shocking.

Bill Erfurth:

You know, there was an interview yesterday, I believe, when they had

Bill Erfurth:

The Ambassador to Mexico on, and the question was, who's running the country?

Bill Erfurth:

The president or the drug cartels?

Bill Erfurth:

And the guy would not answer that question.

Craig Floyd:

Yeah.

Craig Floyd:

It's clear, it's clearly the

Dennis Collins:

Cor if you knew the answer.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

Crazy.

Craig Floyd:

Chuck.

Craig Floyd:

The, that When you talk about a solution to this problem though,

Craig Floyd:

Don't you agree that a lot of it's the political hyperbole.

Craig Floyd:

You know, you and I talked about this a little bit offline.

Craig Floyd:

The Trump administration Yes, has gotten tough and maybe, you know, calling them

Craig Floyd:

Domestic terrorists in Minneapolis, et cetera, might have been gone too far.

Craig Floyd:

But they've been pushed by the local leadership in Minneapolis, the mayor.

Craig Floyd:

The Governor of Minnesota.

Craig Floyd:

Basically declaring war on ICE and on the Trump administration for their

Craig Floyd:

Policies and, and how they're trying to enforce the law, which as you pointed

Craig Floyd:

Out, was, Uh, given to them by Congress.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, the political irresponsibility, I think is at the heart of this issue.

Craig Floyd:

Sanctuary city policies, certainly, but then when the feds do go in and try

Craig Floyd:

To make a city safer, all of a sudden the mayor, the Governor, all the, the

Craig Floyd:

Leadership, even the chief of police.

Craig Floyd:

Is, Um, you know, coming down against the Feds.

Craig Floyd:

Um, this is a problem and I think that feeds into the media.

Craig Floyd:

The media loves this stuff, right?

Craig Floyd:

They love all the political hyperbole, so they can, Uh, fuel the, the, Uh, fires,

Craig Floyd:

And get everybody all ratcheted up.

Craig Floyd:

And then you end up with people dying, Uh, needlessly.

Charles Marino:

Let's look at what the Biden administration said from day one.

Charles Marino:

You can't secure the border.

Charles Marino:

You can't enforce the immigration laws because we

Charles Marino:

Need overall immigration reform.

Charles Marino:

Meanwhile, meanwhile, we always had Title eight, which is the foundation

Charles Marino:

Of the enforcement of immigration laws.

Charles Marino:

You had things in place like Remain in Mexico that gave a pause to those claiming

Charles Marino:

Asylum until they were thoroughly vetted.

Charles Marino:

Before they were even considered to be let into the country.

Charles Marino:

He stood that down.

Charles Marino:

He stood down every other executive order.

Charles Marino:

President Trump did related to these issues in his first term, so they

Charles Marino:

Were disingenuous about the law.

Charles Marino:

You always had the laws on the books.

Charles Marino:

You always had the authorities on the books already to secure the border

Charles Marino:

And enforce the immigration laws.

Charles Marino:

They just chose not to do it.

Charles Marino:

They were looking at kicking the can down the road and ultimately.

Charles Marino:

If you look at the bills that they put forth, including the last one that

Charles Marino:

Was rejected, it, their bills always included a goal of amnesty, mass Amnesty.

Charles Marino:

Um, and, and I have said from day one that if you paid attention closely.

Charles Marino:

The answer was as obvious as the day is long, they were looking to change

Charles Marino:

The demographics of the United States.

Charles Marino:

They were looking to give those in the country illegal, the right to vote.

Charles Marino:

Ultimately, they were trying to do it through amnesty and that was the goal.

Charles Marino:

It was to hold on the power.

Charles Marino:

It was how can we change and influence the Democratic voter base

Charles Marino:

In this country to make sure that we hold on the power long term.

Craig Floyd:

Majority of Americans have voted them of office vote votes.

Craig Floyd:

It's the numbers.

Craig Floyd:

That's why Trump got elected in part, is because of the

Craig Floyd:

Immigration problem in this country.

Craig Floyd:

Yeah.

Craig Floyd:

And now that he comes in and he is, Uh, Uh, closed the border, he's deporting

Craig Floyd:

The heinous criminals that have, Uh, come in through the poorest Uh, border.

Craig Floyd:

Mm-hmm.

Craig Floyd:

Um, and now, people are, are crucifying him and the ICE agents for

Craig Floyd:

Enforcing those laws and doing the job that the voters want them to do.

Charles Marino:

No, that's exactly right.

Charles Marino:

So, I mean, the answers have always been there.

Charles Marino:

It's a little uncomfortable sometimes for some people to say

Charles Marino:

What the, what the honest answer is.

Charles Marino:

But if you look at it, I mean, look, you had votes on the hill.

Charles Marino:

You had a legislation, put forth by the District of

Charles Marino:

Columbia that wanted to do what?

Charles Marino:

Give illegals the right to vote.

Dennis Collins:

Right.

Charles Marino:

Look at other Democrats.

Charles Marino:

You had some of them saying the quiet part out loud, not realizing that they

Charles Marino:

Were supposed to shut up, saying, you know, look, this is messing up my, my

Charles Marino:

Redistricting efforts by, by not, you know, by not giving them amnesty, by not,

Charles Marino:

You know, the answers are there and now.

Charles Marino:

So that's an example of where the politics.

Charles Marino:

Overtook the national security interests of the country.

Charles Marino:

And in that case, the politics of the Biden administration

Charles Marino:

Were completely wrong.

Charles Marino:

They ignored.

Charles Marino:

The common sense things to do to keep the country safe.

Charles Marino:

They chose to purposely ignore those.

Charles Marino:

And this is where we are now.

Charles Marino:

So when everybody's complaining about how the cleanup is going in

Charles Marino:

The interior of the country, let's take a step back and remember who

Charles Marino:

Caused this mess in the first place.

Bill Erfurth:

If Biden hadn't let nearly 20 million people into

Bill Erfurth:

The country, we wouldn't have these enormous battles today.

Bill Erfurth:

It would be business as usual, but now it's not.

Bill Erfurth:

Yeah.

Bill Erfurth:

Now it's an enhanced enforcement action that has to be taken

Charles Marino:

Well, and you wouldn't have an innocent Americans being killed.

Charles Marino:

Being raped, being a hundred percent being, being, trafficked.

Charles Marino:

You know, and the other thing is, you know, the policies of the Biden

Charles Marino:

Administration made it more dangerous for everybody, not just the American public,

Charles Marino:

But look how many, Uh, illegals that chose to make the journey to the United States.

Charles Marino:

How many of them lost their lives?

Charles Marino:

How many of them were raped and assaulted and killed?

Charles Marino:

We don't know.

Charles Marino:

Right?

Charles Marino:

And how many are trafficked?

Charles Marino:

Into human trafficking.

Charles Marino:

So, you know, it's, they created a nightmare not only for this

Charles Marino:

Country, but for the entire region.

Charles Marino:

And oh, by the way, along the way, their policies empowered the cartels like

Charles Marino:

They've never been empowered before.

Charles Marino:

Financially, the cartels have never been richer.

Charles Marino:

Okay.

Charles Marino:

Which is, or have grown to the size that they are now.

Charles Marino:

So the reason why we're dealing with the scale of the problem, Uh, that

Charles Marino:

We are, is because of these policies.

Charles Marino:

These policies had an adverse effect on everything.

Charles Marino:

And now you've got an administration that's taking care of the problem

Charles Marino:

And you wanna know something.

Charles Marino:

It's a big problem.

Charles Marino:

Yeah, it

Charles Marino:

Is.

Craig Floyd:

Oh, and Dennis, I, I don't know how you all feel,

Craig Floyd:

But I think, Uh, Chuck has really helped to cl bring clarity Wow.

Craig Floyd:

To, to this issue.

Craig Floyd:

Uh, Minneapolis is a mess, but there's a lot more to it, and Chuck has really,

Craig Floyd:

I think, defined what, what's going on.

Craig Floyd:

So, Uh, Chuck, I would love to, I thank you for coming on today.

Craig Floyd:

This has been awesome.

Dennis Collins:

Absolutely.

Dennis Collins:

I would like, yeah.

Craig Floyd:

Thank you.

Dennis Collins:

Ask Chuck, we maybe we ought to have you come back a few times

Dennis Collins:

And really you make sense of this stuff.

Craig Floyd:

Yeah.

Dennis Collins:

And that's what our audience wants.

Dennis Collins:

They wanna make sense of this.

Dennis Collins:

Yeah.

Dennis Collins:

But I have a question to kind of maybe start closing this out.

Dennis Collins:

Okay.

Dennis Collins:

Citizens Behind the Badge is all about the cops.

Dennis Collins:

We support the men and women of law enforcement.

Dennis Collins:

Okay?

Dennis Collins:

Now we understand, as Tom Homan said the other day, not every cop is perfect,

Dennis Collins:

And not every operation is perfect.

Dennis Collins:

There's always things that we can do to be better, but what is it?

Dennis Collins:

If, if, if the men and women of law enforcement are listening today,

Dennis Collins:

Do you have a message for them?

Dennis Collins:

Uh, what what would you like to say to them as a person who served as

Dennis Collins:

One of them and also as the founder of a business and a DHS employee?

Dennis Collins:

What, what, what do you, what would be your message?

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

Look, don't fall for the traps that are being laid for you each and every day.

Charles Marino:

By those in the country that have these radical ideologies, either that don't

Charles Marino:

Believe the laws of this country should be enforced, or that the men and women

Charles Marino:

Tasked with enforcing them, are evil.

Charles Marino:

Don't fall into that trap.

Charles Marino:

Understand that there's, there's organizations like yours, that

Charles Marino:

Provide a very important service, to voice and demonstrate that

Charles Marino:

Support each and every day.

Charles Marino:

And that the majority of Americans believe that this country has to

Charles Marino:

Be a country of law and order.

Charles Marino:

No civilized society can survive without it.

Charles Marino:

So the majority of Americans are on the side of law enforcement.

Charles Marino:

They understand that the job is hard enough.

Charles Marino:

On a regular day.

Charles Marino:

But now with all this political nonsense, this political nonsense

Charles Marino:

Coming from the radical left does not represent what the overwhelming majority

Charles Marino:

Of the country feels Absolutely.

Charles Marino:

Uh, about, about law and in, and the enforcement of law and

Charles Marino:

About those that enforce it.

Charles Marino:

So, especially for these law enforcement officers that are

Charles Marino:

Operating in these sanctuary cities.

Charles Marino:

Look, many of them are not operating in these sanctuary cities because of the

Charles Marino:

Sanctuary policies they're operating, because that's where they're from.

Charles Marino:

That's where they've chosen to live.

Charles Marino:

That's where they've chosen to raise their kids.

Charles Marino:

So especially for them.

Charles Marino:

Don't fall into the traps that the local politicians are setting, for

Charles Marino:

These, these men and women, and try not to get hurt because in a lot of

Charles Marino:

These communities, these policies unfortunately, are setting these law

Charles Marino:

Enforcement departments and these law enforcement officers of for failure.

Dennis Collins:

What a great, well said, inspirational message.

Dennis Collins:

That is extremely well said.

Dennis Collins:

I don't think any of us could have said it as well as you chuck that

Dennis Collins:

Was beautifully done and thank you.

Dennis Collins:

Thank

Charles Marino:

You.

Dennis Collins:

That I wanna make sure that our audience knows

Dennis Collins:

How to get in touch with you.

Dennis Collins:

Okay.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Dennis Collins:

Would you mind sharing your contact information?

Charles Marino:

Sure.

Charles Marino:

My company website is Sentinel, S-E-N-T-I-N-E-L.

Charles Marino:

Security, Uh, you can find, Uh, information about our company, information

Charles Marino:

About the entire team, and then I'm on X Charles Marino, and you can also

Charles Marino:

Find my website@charlesmarino.com.

Dennis Collins:

Great.

Dennis Collins:

Great.

Dennis Collins:

Perfect.

Dennis Collins:

I'm sure, Uh, I'm sure a lot of people will like to reach out to you.

Dennis Collins:

Of course.

Dennis Collins:

You have such a common sense, articulate way of framing all this and, Uh,

Dennis Collins:

I think that's what we need now.

Charles Marino:

Well, great.

Charles Marino:

Thank you.

Charles Marino:

Now look, this is what I try and do, right?

Charles Marino:

I try and.

Charles Marino:

Cut through all the noise and really analyze it and say, look,

Charles Marino:

Thi this is the way policies and ideologies are gonna impact us.

Charles Marino:

And it's either going to be right or it's going to be wrong.

Charles Marino:

There's no hybrid here.

Charles Marino:

And I think we're seeing, that the policies of sanctuary cities, are

Charles Marino:

Grossly inept and very dangerous.

Dennis Collins:

Indeed.

Dennis Collins:

So I can't help but ask you one last question.

Dennis Collins:

Sure.

Dennis Collins:

During this interview, I've heard a little chirping in the

Dennis Collins:

Background and I wasn't sure.

Dennis Collins:

I,

Charles Marino:

No, I don't know what I don't.

Charles Marino:

Yeah, I don't know what that noise is.

Charles Marino:

I don't, I thought you had a bird heat or something.

Charles Marino:

No.

Charles Marino:

A in

Dennis Collins:

Your,

Charles Marino:

No, it may, Uh, the heater.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

I just, there was something chirping.

Charles Marino:

I, I haven't.

Charles Marino:

The only one hearing that some

Bill Erfurth:

Birdshot

Charles Marino:

Is I

Dennis Collins:

The only one hearing that or was heard?

Dennis Collins:

Yeah,

Charles Marino:

I heard it.

Charles Marino:

No, I hear it a little bit.

Charles Marino:

No, it's not, it's not about, I was a little concerned

Dennis Collins:

About what

Charles Marino:

That

Dennis Collins:

Was.

Dennis Collins:

But you're okay, right?

Dennis Collins:

You're, you're not in any danger of any

Charles Marino:

Sort.

Charles Marino:

I'm in, I'm in an, I'm in an old building, so it makes a lot of different noises.

Dennis Collins:

Okay, we'll attribute it to the oldness of the building.

Dennis Collins:

How's

Charles Marino:

That?

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

Yeah.

Charles Marino:

It's gotta be the HVAC unit.

Dennis Collins:

Yeah.

Dennis Collins:

Alright.

Dennis Collins:

Again, thank you,

Charles Marino:

Chuck for this.

Charles Marino:

You got it guys.

Charles Marino:

You got it.

Dennis Collins:

I wanna close out by reminding our audience, Heroes

Dennis Collins:

Behind the Badge is a podcast brought to you by Citizens Behind the Badge.

Dennis Collins:

Citizens Behind the Badge is the leading voice of the American

Dennis Collins:

People in support of the men.

Dennis Collins:

Women of law enforcement, you can reach out and contact us at

Dennis Collins:

Citizens Behind the Badge.org.

Dennis Collins:

Dot org, okay.

Dennis Collins:

On there you'll find out everything you need to know about how you can get

Dennis Collins:

Involved with the hundreds of thousands of Americans that have already pledged

Dennis Collins:

Their support for law enforcement.

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Heroes Behind the Badge
We tell REAL stories about REAL cops.  And we expose the fake news about police and give you the REAL truth.
From the front lines to the final call, Heroes Behind the Badge brings you the untold stories of America's law enforcement community. Led by Craig Floyd, who spent 34 years working alongside police officers across the nation, alongside veteran facilitator Dennis Collins and law enforcement expert Bill Erfurth, this podcast cuts through misconceptions to reveal the true nature of modern policing.

Our dynamic trio brings unique perspectives to each episode: Craig shares deep insights from his decades of experience and relationships within law enforcement, Dennis guides conversations with meticulous research and natural flow, and Bill adds engaging commentary that makes complex law enforcement topics accessible to all listeners.

Each episode features in-depth conversations with law enforcement professionals, sharing their firsthand experiences, challenges, and triumphs. Drawing from extensive research and real-world experience, we explore the realities faced by the over 800,000 officers who serve and protect our communities every day.

From dramatic accounts of crisis response to quiet moments of everyday heroism, our show illuminates the human stories behind the badge. We dive deep into the statistics, policies, and practices that shape modern law enforcement, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of what it truly means to serve in law enforcement today.

Whether you're a law enforcement professional, a concerned citizen, or someone seeking to understand the complexities of modern policing, Heroes Behind the Badge provides the context, insights, and authentic perspectives you won't find anywhere else. Join us weekly as we honor those who dedicate their lives to keeping our communities safe, one story at a time.

Presented by Citizens Behind the Badge, a nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting and advocating for law enforcement professionals across the United States. Join over 126,000 Americans who have already signed our Declaration of Support for law enforcement at behindbadge.org.