Dave Hinners — The Arrests, the Trial, and What It Cost | Part 2
Dave Hinners was a Wichita patrol officer, not quite three years on the job, when he became the first officer to speak with the lone survivor of the December 2000 Wichita Massacre. Today he is the executive director of the United States Deputy Sheriff's Association. In this second of two parts, he picks up with hosts Dennis Collins and Craig Floyd the morning after.
By nine o'clock that morning, a 911 caller had spotted a man matching the description dragging a big-screen TV across an apartment parking lot, and the first brother was in custody. Hinners explains that the killers had gone back to the house after the shootings to take what was left, and he still wonders what might have happened if the survivor had seen an unlit farmhouse 200 yards away. The second brother was arrested after his own girlfriend recognized him and made a phone call. Both were in custody within 24 hours.
At trial, the survivor testified the way she had spoken to Hinners in the emergency room: strong, credible and unafraid. He explains why he deliberately never spoke with her again before he testified, and why he still thinks about her. Without her, he says, the case would have depended on another witness or DNA, and it would not have moved as fast. He also describes the crime scene work: a lead investigator trained in archaeology who had the scene gridded and every section collected in its own drum.
Craig Floyd then asks what the case cost him. Hinners calls it one of his demons. He went back on shift the next night after about an hour and a half of sleep. He credits his department's stress debriefings, a close-knit shift and his wife, and argues that officers have to talk about what they carry rather than lock it away.
The episode closes on his work with the United States Deputy Sheriff's Association, which provides free training and safety equipment to underfunded agencies and a $1,000 benefit to the family of every officer who dies in the line of duty. Craig Floyd, who serves on its board, explains how the conversation led to this episode.
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I've not talked to her since.
Speaker:I, you know, think about her a lot.
Speaker:I hope she's doing better today.
Speaker:She went through hell- Yeah … uh, you know, 26 years ago almost
Speaker:December 2000, Wichita, Kansas, five people were taken
Speaker:to a snowy field and shot.
Speaker:One survived.
Speaker:By the next morning, one of the men responsible was in custody.
Speaker:He was caught because there was a complaint about a truck
Speaker:pulling a TV in the, in the drive- in the parking lot, huh?
Speaker:Well, somebody going to work that morning- Yeah
Speaker:saw- Saw him doing it, yeah … and heard about the
Speaker:incident and, you know, said, "Hey, there's that white truck.
Speaker:Hey, there's the guy matching the- There it
Speaker:is
Speaker:description." And it seems a little strange at, you
Speaker:know, 9:00 in the morning to be pulling a TV across the
Speaker:parking lot on a blanket.
Speaker:Maybe at any time of the day, I don't know.
Speaker:That's a
Speaker:little- You know, one, one of the th- one of the things I remember
Speaker:though, Dave, about, uh, uh, their capture and what happened
Speaker:after the murders is that they actually went back to the house
Speaker:where they had originally, uh, done the home invasion and, and
Speaker:got these, um, these five people.
Speaker:Um, uh, how stupid was that?
Speaker:And I mean, what, what was their intention to the, you
Speaker:know, for going back to the scene of the crime, basically?
Speaker:Well, they, they did go back.
Speaker:After they, they shot all of them, I assume they thought they were
Speaker:all dead, so they drove back and then started… You know, that's
Speaker:when they stole the TV, they stole the Christmas presents.
Speaker:They stole everything out of the house
Speaker:And you know, when HG got up, she just started looking for light.
Speaker:And unfortunately, there w- there was a farmhouse probably
Speaker:200 yards from her, but it didn't have any lights on.
Speaker:She didn't know it was there.
Speaker:And I always wondered if she would've actually got to that
Speaker:house instead of walking the mile-
Speaker:Yeah
Speaker:and trying to hide from traffic, if we would've been at the
Speaker:house when they were there.
Speaker:'Cause they went back to the house- Yeah, it was- Yeah,
Speaker:and stole everything else.
Speaker:Did she actually live in that house?
Speaker:If she would've told
Speaker:them the
Speaker:address, yeah.
Speaker:Did
Speaker:she live in the house?
Speaker:Did all those people live in that house, or they were just visiting?
Speaker:Uh, I can't remember who all lived in the house.
Speaker:I think she was just visiting.
Speaker:Visiting, yeah.
Speaker:I think it, it was, as I recall, um, again, did a little research,
Speaker:Jason Befort, who was her fian- or gonna be her fiance-
Speaker:Right
Speaker:um, actually, uh, owned the house, and she was his girlfriend-
Speaker:Oh, I
Speaker:gotcha … at the time.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And so that's why she was going over there that night, to hang
Speaker:out with Jason- To hang out, yeah … and, and the rest of the friends.
Speaker:Um, uh, but, you know, and there's an interesting aside.
Speaker:I, I don't wanna, uh, miss this part of the story, which is, uh,
Speaker:finding the diamond ring that he was gonna give to HG. And, um, I,
Speaker:I guess one of the brothers, one of the killers, actually found
Speaker:it in a, uh, popcorn tin of-
Speaker:Right
Speaker:and, uh, he had hidden it there, waiting to give it to her, um, on
Speaker:December 22nd, I believe, right before Christmas, and that's
Speaker:how, uh, she learned that, uh, he was about to propose to her.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, uh, quite, quite a story.
Speaker:Well- Unbelievable.
Speaker:Tell us about- So how- Yeah, go ahead, Dennis.
Speaker:No, I was gonna say, tell us about the, uh, the actual trial.
Speaker:Apparently, 25 years later and we're still, it's
Speaker:kinda still in progress.
Speaker:What's go- Yeah … what happened back then, and what was the
Speaker:trial like, and what's going on right now, best you know?
Speaker:Well, yeah, it took about, if I remember right, it was about
Speaker:two years before the trial came, uh, around Right That, by that
Speaker:point I was working first shift.
Speaker:Um, it was, yeah, the first time, the only time I've
Speaker:testified on national TV.
Speaker:But, uh, uh, it, it was, you know, the big trial of the
Speaker:century for, for Wichita.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:And it lasted quite a while.
Speaker:Um, they got convicted and actually got the death
Speaker:penalty at that point.
Speaker:And I think a few years later, I think it was in 20- and
Speaker:don't quote me on the years, but I'm thinking it was about
Speaker:2014, they had appealed, uh, and a judge had, had, uh
Speaker:And agreed with them and had, and nullified the death penalty,
Speaker:but had given them life.
Speaker:And of course, uh, our attorney general went, "No, uh-uh,"
Speaker:and went back, and I think it was a couple years later they
Speaker:got the death penalty again.
Speaker:And, uh, I, I think they're trying to fi- well, I think
Speaker:I've seen someplace out there fighting it again.
Speaker:So yeah, you would think 20s- almost 26 years later, uh,
Speaker:they're, they're still there.
Speaker:Still- Now, the, the, the killers in this crime, uh, and, and we'll
Speaker:just mention their name briefly.
Speaker:I mean, they're the Carr brothers, Reginald and Jonathan.
Speaker:One was 22, I think that was Reginald.
Speaker:Jonathan's 20.
Speaker:Uh, but before these crimes were committed, I mean, these
Speaker:two were, were bad dudes.
Speaker:I mean, they had been committing crimes since they were,
Speaker:you know, uh, little guys.
Speaker:Uh, I read where, uh, Reginald, the older one, actually, uh,
Speaker:was introduced to alcohol and drugs at the age of six.
Speaker:Six years old.
Speaker:And, uh, he was doing drug crimes, he was assaulting people.
Speaker:Um, a lot of the crimes actually were sealed because he was
Speaker:committing them as a juvenile.
Speaker:And then finally at the age of 18, he started serving multiple
Speaker:stints, uh, behind bars in prison for various crimes.
Speaker:So the- these were not, uh, uh, people that all of a
Speaker:sudden snapped and, and, uh, did this, uh, unbelievable
Speaker:heinous crime spree.
Speaker:Um, they were, they were bad people from the get-go.
Speaker:And, uh, and it was interesting to me too in the trial that
Speaker:you mentioned, um, that they actually turned on each other.
Speaker:Uh, they were tried jointly and, uh, Reginald's, uh,
Speaker:defense attorneys tried to blame Jonathan and say he did it, and
Speaker:Jonathan's attorneys, uh, did the same to Reginald and claimed
Speaker:he was the, the one responsible for murdering these people.
Speaker:If I remember right, I can't remember which of the brothers,
Speaker:I think it was Reginald, the older one, had actually gotten
Speaker:out of jail only a week or mon- month before all this started.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:I mean, he had not been out very long.
Speaker:That's terrible.
Speaker:And, and I think if, if I remember correctly, the families
Speaker:of the victims, the, the murder victims, actually sued, uh, the,
Speaker:the state of Kansas, I believe, or the city of R- Wichita,
Speaker:um, whoever it was responsible for releasing Reginald.
Speaker:Because, uh, they made the argument that, uh,
Speaker:technically he should have been behind bars because he had
Speaker:committed a parole violation.
Speaker:Oh.
Speaker:And, uh, they sh- they somehow, because of a
Speaker:paperwork, uh, mix-up, uh, allowed him to go free.
Speaker:And that was, as you say, just about a week or two
Speaker:before these murders occurred.
Speaker:So, uh- Jeez … yeah, our, our, again, our criminal justice
Speaker:system, uh- Guy should've
Speaker:been
Speaker:in jail … oh, yeah,
Speaker:should've been in jail
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Should've been in jail.
Speaker:I do know that, uh, because of all this, the families, uh,
Speaker:you know, I'm sure all, all the kids knew each other, but the
Speaker:families got to be very, very close from my understanding.
Speaker:And, uh-
Speaker:Dave Te- that, that, that makes me remember the part
Speaker:about there's a, a bit of a love story that occurred.
Speaker:Uh, you know, I… You can't even- Bro, I, I, I've never- Anything
Speaker:good coming out of this, but
Speaker:I, I've never, never asked again, but the, the… What I'd
Speaker:heard, and hopefully it is true, that the, our first victim,
Speaker:the guy that they carjacked-
Speaker:Andrew
Speaker:Schreiber
Speaker:and HG, the survivor.
Speaker:Uh, since they spent so much time on this thing.
Speaker:'Cause our, you know, our DA didn't wanna… I mean,
Speaker:they had a heck of a case, and they put together a very,
Speaker:very, very good case on this.
Speaker:But because these groups stayed together and spent so much
Speaker:time, from my understanding they actually got married.
Speaker:Holly G. and, uh, Andrew Schreiber.
Speaker:This would be
Speaker:HG and the original carjack victim, right?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:That's
Speaker:interesting.
Speaker:Well, you know
Speaker:What, what… Tell us about the trial.
Speaker:Uh, how important was HG's testimony, uh, in all, uh,
Speaker:getting this conviction?
Speaker:Was, uh, was
Speaker:that critical?
Speaker:Oh, it was pivotal.
Speaker:Yeah, she again…
Speaker:You know, I watched, uh… You know, I was there the first day.
Speaker:I was the third person to give my testimony.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I was the first officer, 'cause, you know, could just
Speaker:kinda go in, in, in, uh, line.
Speaker:Uh, and I, I watched some of it.
Speaker:I mean, uh, it, it… You know, every officer kinda has
Speaker:those things that are demons.
Speaker:I hate to say it, this is kinda one of mine.
Speaker:I hate talking about this thing that much.
Speaker:I understand.
Speaker:But I watched some of it, and the little I watched and
Speaker:the little talking to the DAs afterwards, she again testified
Speaker:about, just like she was when she was giving me the story.
Speaker:Strong- You know, told everything, was not afraid-
Speaker:Credible, credible, strong
Speaker:anymore.
Speaker:Yeah, very, very credible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So she probably- They did get- … was the key to
Speaker:cracking the, the case as well as convicting these guys.
Speaker:Oh, oh, yeah.
Speaker:I mean, if it was not for her, I would hope that we would've
Speaker:caught these guys sooner or later.
Speaker:Um, but because of her and her strength and her willingness to,
Speaker:I mean, almost not shut up, uh, which was great, uh, we were able
Speaker:to catch these guys in 24 hours.
Speaker:And like I said- That's- … the first one was- Great … by
Speaker:somebody calling in.
Speaker:The second brother was, actually his girlfriend started
Speaker:going, "Oh, wait a minute. I think this is, I think this
Speaker:is, you know, my boyfriend."
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:boy.
Speaker:And she made a phone call- Yeah … and we were able to get him.
Speaker:So we had all of them within, I was admitting, mid, well
Speaker:before dinner the next night.
Speaker:That's … Tell,
Speaker:tell me this.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:This is interesting, and, and we've asked this question in
Speaker:other cases, uh, with all the new technology and forensic
Speaker:science that we now have, it's easier to catch, uh, the,
Speaker:these, uh, heinous and, and very, uh, ignorant criminals.
Speaker:But, um, if, if Holly G had not survived, and, and done, and given
Speaker:you the, all the evidence that you needed to arrest these guys,
Speaker:how, how hard would it have been to capture them, and how long do
Speaker:you think it might have taken?
Speaker:Oh Lord.
Speaker:I mean, just finding the scene out at the, at the soccer field
Speaker:I think would've taken a while.
Speaker:I mean, it's middle of winter.
Speaker:People weren't going and playing soccer.
Speaker:I mean, it was- Yeah.
Speaker:… back off the road quite a bit.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Um, unless I think it would've wait- it would've been a
Speaker:while before we found them.
Speaker:Uh, there was quite a bit of evidence at the house.
Speaker:Uh, you know, our v- our evidence collectors, our scene lab people
Speaker:were, are, were extremely good.
Speaker:I mean, the stuff they go through.
Speaker:We had one, our lead was an ex, uh … Her degree was in archeology.
Speaker:I mean, she was particular to the bone.
Speaker:They actually, out in the parking, parking lot where they were
Speaker:killed, they made a grid system and just got 55-gallon drums of,
Speaker:uh, trash cans and said, "Okay, this grid, put it in that one.
Speaker:This grid, put everything, scoop it up, put it in there."
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And that went way back, where that way they could actually go and map
Speaker:out the, uh, crime scene there.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, so I, I think we would've caught him, but it, it was gonna
Speaker:come down to another witness.
Speaker:It was gonna come down to some kind of DNA at
Speaker:the scene, something.
Speaker:A- and it would not have been as fast as we did, I know that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Did you have much interaction with, uh, uh, Holly G,
Speaker:um, for that day and night that you spent with her?
Speaker:I mean, uh, have you talked to her a- any time since, uh,
Speaker:and, and before the trial even?
Speaker:No, actually, uh, I spent the, you know, first night, first
Speaker:morning, whatever, went with her.
Speaker:And, uh, then, you know, my issue or my participation
Speaker:besides testifying and, you know, writing cases was done.
Speaker:The detectives were gonna take it from there.
Speaker:You know.
Speaker:And then when it got down to the court, you know, going, about
Speaker:ready to go to court- I, you know, me and detectives and, you
Speaker:know, thought it would be best if
Speaker:I didn't wanna have a conversation with her then and then say, "Okay,
Speaker:yeah, you had the conversation." You know, "You've, you're
Speaker:taking information from that conversation." So my testimony
Speaker:was it from everything that night.
Speaker:Uh, I've not talked to her since.
Speaker:I, you know, think about her a lot.
Speaker:I hope she's doing better today.
Speaker:She went through hell- Yeah … um, you know, 26 years ago almost.
Speaker:For sure.
Speaker:And,
Speaker:and
Speaker:I, I, I'm sure she, you know, suffers from the trauma.
Speaker:But I'm, um, for the purposes of today's interview and because
Speaker:I care so much about our police officers and their wellbeing, um,
Speaker:I worry about, uh, the effect of these kind of traumatic events on
Speaker:the officer, on you in this case.
Speaker:Um, we talk a lot on this show about how the average police
Speaker:officer has to deal with 400 to 600 traumatic events during
Speaker:their 20, 30-year career.
Speaker:Uh, the average person that's not a police officer maybe
Speaker:deals with two or three traumatic events in our lives.
Speaker:Um, it's gotta take a toll on you, and, and you
Speaker:alluded to it earlier.
Speaker:You talked about the fact that it's difficult to
Speaker:revisit this case, to do this interview today because of
Speaker:the impact it had on you.
Speaker:And I'm, I'm just curious, you know, uh, when you look back,
Speaker:uh, all these years, back to 2000, um, what impact do you
Speaker:think it had on you as a police officer and you as a human being?
Speaker:As a police officer, you know, like I said, I was on little over
Speaker:three years, and to me, three years you're a rookie still.
Speaker:I mean, th- this is probably one of the biggest cases I've
Speaker:ever worked on, on that end.
Speaker:And, a- and to be thrown into it the way I kinda was, it
Speaker:w- it was a little traumatic.
Speaker:You know, I hate to say
Speaker:I, I don't wanna go on and say I've, I, I've had horrible
Speaker:dreams or anything from this, but it's definitely one of those
Speaker:things that, you know … An officer told me one time when
Speaker:I was telling him a little bit about it, he was like, "Yeah,
Speaker:I can tell your voice cracks." And I said… He goes, "It's
Speaker:gotta be one of your demons."
Speaker:And I, I agree there.
Speaker:It's just, it's not that I can't talk about it, but it, it
Speaker:does, it brings back that night.
Speaker:And- Yeah … uh, and like I said, it was … I, I did.
Speaker:I sat there and was taking every word she said down, and in the
Speaker:back of my mind I'm trying to, I guess, correlate how a human
Speaker:being can do what these two guys did to a group of kids.
Speaker:I mean, it just wasn't, you know, your best way.
Speaker:It just wasn't computing in my mind.
Speaker:And I believed every word she said, but I'm just trying
Speaker:to figure out the humanity of how somebody could do
Speaker:that to another human being.
Speaker:Really.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, and, and, uh, you see on TV, you know, these cop shows
Speaker:where a cop might be involved in a shootout and, you know,
Speaker:he ends up killing the bad guy, or a partner of his dies in
Speaker:the line of duty, and the next day they're back at the water
Speaker:cooler talking to their friends, back on duty the very next day.
Speaker:Um, I know we're doing better today than we
Speaker:were doing back in 2000.
Speaker:But did, did you or maybe the other police officers who were
Speaker:on the scene of the murders, um, get any counseling?
Speaker:Did you go right back to work the next day as if nothing happened?
Speaker:I mean, uh, walk me through that process.
Speaker:Well, I did go back to work the next day or the next night.
Speaker:I mean, got home, got probably about an hour and a half sleep
Speaker:and was up, had dinner with the wife, and, uh, headed back
Speaker:to work at 11:00 at night.
Speaker:But no, my department was really good.
Speaker:We had a, a, you know, major incident stress, uh,
Speaker:meetings that you can go to.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Uh, talk to people about it, you know.
Speaker:Uh, I- my father was in law enforcement, and before I
Speaker:became in law enforcement, I dealt with law enforcement
Speaker:officers all the time.
Speaker:So, you know, and I had good friends on, on… Uh, the shift
Speaker:I was working was probably one of the best group of guys I've
Speaker:ever worked with, and they were good about, you know, keeping
Speaker:an eye on each other, you know.
Speaker:And we'd discuss it, talk about it.
Speaker:You know, you, you gotta be able to do that.
Speaker:For me, it's as long as I can kind of talk about it, you don't stick
Speaker:it in that box at the back of your brain and never open the box up,
Speaker:'cause then it's gonna eat at you.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, but, uh, m- my department then and still is very, very
Speaker:good at having those major incidents, you know, meetings
Speaker:or if you need to go see, you know, somebody to talk to.
Speaker:Um, you know, I had friends to talk to about it.
Speaker:I guess that was the way I got through it.
Speaker:And, and again, I don't, you know, I, I look back
Speaker:at her and go, "Oh."
Speaker:Me hearing about it is, you know, minuscule to
Speaker:what happened to her, so.
Speaker:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker:Were, were you married at the time?
Speaker:And I'm just wondering, uh, uh, your wife or your significant
Speaker:other at the time, did you talk much about it with them?
Speaker:I, you know, married to the same girl I'm married to now.
Speaker:Uh, yeah, we…
Speaker:I mean, I talked a little bit about it, and over time kind
Speaker:of a little bit more came out.
Speaker:And, uh, but she was good.
Speaker:She never pushed it.
Speaker:And I… You know, there was a lot of things I didn't tell her about
Speaker:that came out later in the trial.
Speaker:Um, but no, my wife's my rock.
Speaker:I mean, she's… You know, she understands.
Speaker:I'll tell her a little bit about…
Speaker:You know, some officers go in and tell her, "I don't tell anything
Speaker:to my wife about anything." You know, it's like, well, that's
Speaker:the way you wanna handle it.
Speaker:Mine's, she's kind of my little sounding board.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:And, um, laughs at me when I do something stupid, so I
Speaker:mean, she keeps me humble.
Speaker:And we all have wives
Speaker:that do that.
Speaker:Don't we, don't we have that?
Speaker:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:Now, what, uh… Go ahead.
Speaker:No, I was gonna say, um, I'd like to hear, Dave, a little bit about
Speaker:what Dave is up to right now.
Speaker:I know you have retired, uh, from Wichita, but you are still very
Speaker:much involved in law enforcement.
Speaker:Can you tell us what you're up to now and a little
Speaker:bit about it, please?
Speaker:You know, to make a short story a little long, uh, while I was
Speaker:still with the department, a very good friend of mine was
Speaker:working for an organization, a nonprofit organization
Speaker:called the United States Deputy Sheriff's Association.
Speaker:He was one of their trainers.
Speaker:One of these guys that can… I mean, is just a heck of an out
Speaker:athlete, probably one of the best fighters I ever met pound for
Speaker:pound, and I trained with him.
Speaker:And, uh, he was one of the trainers, and he asked me one day,
Speaker:he says, "Hey, uh…" The position I had with WPD at the time, uh,
Speaker:kind of let me set my own hours.
Speaker:And he was like, "Hey, I've got some training in, uh, in Alabama.
Speaker:Do you wanna… The guy that usually helps me with
Speaker:the training can't go.
Speaker:Do you wanna go?" I said, "Oh, I'd love to."
Speaker:So I kind of got hooked with that, and I did a part-time,
Speaker:was one of the trainers for this organization.
Speaker:And, uh, unfortunately in 2010, the, uh, director and the guy
Speaker:that started it passed away, and, uh, the organization
Speaker:floundered a little bit.
Speaker:And, uh- The board came to Mike and I and said, "Hey, we'd
Speaker:like you guys to take it over."
Speaker:And we did.
Speaker:And to make a short story, I was getting on my 20 years, still
Speaker:doing the training, helping out as much as I could with the agency,
Speaker:and I wanted to do something.
Speaker:I was to the point where, in law enforcement, I loved going to
Speaker:work, but my wife was retiring and I thought, "Okay, I, I
Speaker:think I can go and move on."
Speaker:So I went to the board and said, "Hey, I'd love to be the executive
Speaker:director of the United States Deputy Sheriff's Association."
Speaker:Great.
Speaker:And they were either smart enough or dumb enough, I'm not too sure
Speaker:yet which, and they went, "Okay." So I retired a little over nine
Speaker:years ago and, uh, immediately came on as the executive director.
Speaker:Still one of the major trainers for the organization and, and
Speaker:it kinda keeps my hand in.
Speaker:I get to go out and meet a bunch of guys, you know,
Speaker:doing law enforcement all across the United States.
Speaker:Still kinda keep my hand in there.
Speaker:But, uh, you know, I, I still miss the hot calls.
Speaker:I still miss-
Speaker:Sure
Speaker:you know, the camaraderie with the, you know, those guys.
Speaker:I don't miss going on homicide scenes, though.
Speaker:Understood.
Speaker:Yeah, that's- And, and- … it's tough duty
Speaker:… and
Speaker:Dennis, in the interest of full disclosure, uh, I've gotten
Speaker:to know Dave a little bit.
Speaker:I, uh, a few years ago, I, uh, joined the board of the US Deputy
Speaker:Sheriff's Association, and it was at a, a recent meeting where Dave
Speaker:and I were talking about the radio or the, uh, podcast and, and some
Speaker:of the guest, uh, ideas that we had, and he, he talked to me about
Speaker:this, uh, the Wichita Massacre.
Speaker:I'd never heard of the case, and he gave me a,
Speaker:a, a brief summary of it.
Speaker:Uh, we've gone deeper today, thank goodness.
Speaker:And, um, I, I was intrigued, uh, for many reasons.
Speaker:Uh, it's a heinous crime for sure.
Speaker:But then he started telling me about his role, um, his
Speaker:response, uh, his comforting of the survivor, um, you know,
Speaker:capturing all that, uh, important information that led to the, uh,
Speaker:immediate capture of the killers.
Speaker:Uh, it just struck me that this is one of those heroes behind
Speaker:the badge stories that we talk about every, uh, every week.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, um, I'm so glad that Dave joined us here today.
Speaker:And by the way, I love the work that he's doing, that Mike Willis
Speaker:is doing, that he's doing in this Deputy Sheriff's Association.
Speaker:They provide free training to departments across the country
Speaker:that can't afford it otherwise.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:They also provide equipment, uh, safety equipment for officers,
Speaker:uh, you know, bulletproof vest, et cetera, um, that are
Speaker:life-saving equipment really and have saved the lives of
Speaker:many officers undoubtedly.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But they provide that equipment free of charge to
Speaker:departments that otherwise would not be able to afford it.
Speaker:That's great.
Speaker:I mean, what, what a great, uh, great story.
Speaker:And, and they give, um, uh, benefits to the surviving
Speaker:family members of officers killed in the line of duty.
Speaker:I mean, this is a group that it, it just is doing tremendous
Speaker:work, and Dave's at the helm.
Speaker:And, and, uh, Dave, I'm so glad you joined us here today
Speaker:to tell me about, uh, the story, uh, of the Wichita
Speaker:Massacre, and especially Holly G and her survival.
Speaker:What a courageous story that was, and, uh, how you handled
Speaker:it so beautifully as a, as a professional police officer.
Speaker:So thank you, sir, for joining us here today.
Speaker:Uh, Dave, how do people get in- Very much for having
Speaker:me … how do people get in touch with you and with the
Speaker:Deputy Sheriff's, uh, Association?
Speaker:Give us your information here to the public, and, uh, if
Speaker:they would like to reach out, they'll know where to reach out.
Speaker:Uh, best thing to do is go to our website.
Speaker:It's, uh, usdeputy.org.
Speaker:Uh, explains everything on there.
Speaker:And, and like said, Craig said, we have several programs.
Speaker:That's … Everything we do is free of charge to
Speaker:the agency and the officer.
Speaker:There is no catch.
Speaker:I always tell people- We're not gonna call you up a week and
Speaker:ask you to sell Amway for us.
Speaker:Oh, good.
Speaker:And some people get that, some don't.
Speaker:Yeah,
Speaker:yep.
Speaker:Uh, but, uh, yeah, everything we do is free.
Speaker:The free training, free, uh, safety equipment to
Speaker:under-funded agencies.
Speaker:And of course, the, we give $1,000 to the family of every officer
Speaker:who perishes in the line of duty.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Uh, but visit our website.
Speaker:Uh, and if, uh, you have any questions, all our
Speaker:information's on there.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:I hope people will do that.
Speaker:Uh, uh, again, I wanna thank you for being our guest today, Dave.
Speaker:I also wanna thank you for your service.
Speaker:Not only- Thank you … as a police officer, but now
Speaker:serving in different ways.
Speaker:It may be even more important ways, because you're reaching
Speaker:a lot of people, and, uh, and that's the name of the game.
Speaker:So, uh, thank you for your service.
Speaker:Thank you.
Speaker:You are… Your story is exactly the kind of story we like
Speaker:to feature on Heroes Behind the Badge, because sometimes
Speaker:these stories are hidden.
Speaker:You know, sometimes people don't know.
Speaker:Sometimes people don't know that an officer, 911 call, steps
Speaker:up and takes care of business, and gets things done that
Speaker:help solve a crime faster than it normally would be solved.
Speaker:That's you, and for that we thank you, and the citizens thank you.
Speaker:And, uh, Wichita was lucky to have you.
Speaker:So again- Thank you … congratulations.
Speaker:Uh-
Speaker:Thank you, and thank you for all the support you
Speaker:guys do for law enforcement.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Well, we're gonna ask our listeners, our viewers, uh,
Speaker:one more time, if you liked anything Dave had to say…
Speaker:Remember, this is a free podcast, Heroes Behind the Badge, okay?
Speaker:But you can help support us and support the men and women of law
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Speaker:Citizens Behind the Badge sponsors this podcast.
Speaker:We would love to have your comments.
Speaker:We would love you… If you liked anything Dave had to
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Speaker:You'll always be, uh, informed first.
Speaker:And again, you can get involved with the hundreds of thousands
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Speaker:Uh, signing off for this episode of Heroes Behind
Speaker:the Badge, Dennis and Craig, we'll see you next time.
Speaker:Thank you.
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