Dave Hinners — First Officer at the Wichita Massacre | Part 1
Dave Hinners was not quite three years into his career with the Wichita Police Department in December 2000. Today he is the executive director of the United States Deputy Sheriff's Association. In this first of two parts, he tells hosts Dennis Collins and Craig Floyd what happened on the night he became the first officer to speak with the lone survivor of the Wichita Massacre.
The call came in mid-December, in a foot and a half of snow. Dispatch described it first as an assault, then a stabbing, then a shooting. At the house, Hinners found a young woman wrapped in a blanket, bleeding from the back of her head. She had walked about a mile through the snow after being shot, hiding from passing cars in case the killers were coming back. A plastic hair clip had deflected the bullet just enough to keep it from penetrating.
He followed her to the hospital, and she never stopped talking. Hinners calls her the best witness he has ever had. She knew she was the only one left, and the only one who could solve the case. Over the next several hours he filled a case book, relayed descriptions of both suspects and a stolen pickup truck, and eventually had to tell her that none of her friends had survived. An off-duty partner with a broken hand wrote up the stolen-truck report from the hospital. By the next morning, a 911 call about a man dragging a big-screen TV across an apartment parking lot led officers to the first of the two brothers.
Along the way, Craig Floyd reads the names of the victims — Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort and Ann Walenta — and Hinners describes trying to process what one human being could do to another while still doing the job in front of him. He stayed with her until he was relieved the next morning, then went in to write up the cases.
In Part 2, how the second brother was found, the survivor's testimony at trial, and what the case still costs the officer who was there at the start.
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Well, they took all five victims, um, three guys and two
Speaker:girls out to this snowy field.
Speaker:It was a, a soccer field.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And had them kneel down and shot them all in the back of the head.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And the only thing that saved her life was a plastic hair clip
Speaker:Let's go back to December 2000 in Wichita, Kansas.
Speaker:Seven days, five dead, one survivor found by one police
Speaker:officer who refused to leave her.
Speaker:25 years later, the case is still moving through the court system.
Speaker:Today we have Dave Hinners, who was there at the very beginning
Speaker:to give us a look inside the Wichita Massacre from the inside.
Speaker:Dave, welcome to Heroes Behind the Badge.
Speaker:We're glad you're here.
Speaker:Thank you very much.
Speaker:It's my honor.
Speaker:You responded as a rookie cop almost, a three-year, uh, officer
Speaker:to a 911 call in mid-December, around the 15th, 16th of December.
Speaker:Uh, when you walked into that house responding to that
Speaker:call, tell us what happened.
Speaker:What did you see first?
Speaker:Truthfully, we didn't know what we were walking into.
Speaker:We, you know, we heard … First it came out as an assault,
Speaker:and then a few seconds later it came out as a stabbing,
Speaker:and then about a minute later it came out as a shooting.
Speaker:So we were- Wow … we were a little confused.
Speaker:Uh, yeah, there was me and two other officers when we got there,
Speaker:and the people there really weren't sure what was going on.
Speaker:All they know that they had this naked lady banging on their front
Speaker:door early, early in the morning, and she was bleeding profusely
Speaker:from the back of the head.
Speaker:Mm. And, uh, EMS arrived right after we did, so they immediately,
Speaker:uh, got her on a cot and, and got her out of the way.
Speaker:So I really didn't talk to her until we got to the hospital.
Speaker:Uh, the two officers that were there, uh, started
Speaker:interviewing the, uh, the residents at the house.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Since it was my beat, I knew I was going to the
Speaker:hospital with the victim, so.
Speaker:What, uh, what was the victim able to tell you when, when you first,
Speaker:uh, were able to talk to her?
Speaker:Oh, Lord.
Speaker:She is probably … She was the best witness I've ever had.
Speaker:Really?
Speaker:Literally would not stop talking.
Speaker:And she later told, uh, detectives that, you know, she knew she
Speaker:was the only one that survived, and that she was the only one
Speaker:that was gonna solve this case.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And she was the best, you know, witness we were gonna get, and the
Speaker:best evidence we were gonna get.
Speaker:And truthfully, until probably about 30 minutes after I
Speaker:arrived at the hospital, I still didn't know what was going on.
Speaker:It took us a while before we found the bodies, uh,
Speaker:of the other four victims.
Speaker:So,
Speaker:you know- So you, you didn't know at that time when you
Speaker:responded to this call that there were four other people
Speaker:who were involved in this, huh?
Speaker:Didn't have a clue.
Speaker:All I knew is I had a gal that had a, a massive contusion
Speaker:to the back of her head.
Speaker:It actually … It had broken the back of her skull open,
Speaker:and, uh, that's all I know.
Speaker:And finally, when she started kinda telling me the story, was
Speaker:about the time that I heard from dispatch that they had found
Speaker:the, um, the crime scene of where the murders were, had occurred.
Speaker:And that's when I kinda started to put things together
Speaker:What was her, uh, what was her, um, magic?
Speaker:How did she survive this?
Speaker:I mean, it sounded like she was seriously hurt, but survived.
Speaker:Well, they took all five victims, um, three guys and two
Speaker:girls, out to this snowy field.
Speaker:It was a, a soccer field.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And had 'em kneel down and shot 'em all in the back of the head.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And the only thing that saved her life was a plastic hair clip that
Speaker:she had in, in her hair, and it deflected the bullet just enough.
Speaker:It still cracked the back of her skull open, uh,
Speaker:but did not penetrate.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:So a, a, a, a little plastic, uh, hairpiece for, uh, you know,
Speaker:for a couple of dollars and that saved her life probably.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Probably, yes.
Speaker:Yeah, and Dennis, you called it at the beginning, uh,
Speaker:the Wichita Massacre, some call it the Wichita Horror.
Speaker:This is perhaps the, the most heinous crime I've ever, uh,
Speaker:been able to, uh, research.
Speaker:Um, the, uh, atrocity that occurred to these, uh, five
Speaker:victims on that night, and then there were two other
Speaker:victims even before that.
Speaker:Uh, Dave, we, we go back really a week, um, before
Speaker:the murders occurred, and before… And, and we call
Speaker:this, uh, survivor Holly G.
Speaker:Now, is, is her name really Holly, and why don't we
Speaker:have a full name for Holly?
Speaker:The only thing I've ever really referred to
Speaker:her as is HG. HG. Yeah.
Speaker:Um, and the reason was at the time, we didn't wanna put her name
Speaker:out in the, in the news media.
Speaker:Uh, so all my reports listed her name, uh, but
Speaker:everything else in there was we referred to her as HG.
Speaker:On the stand, if I remember right, I referred to as
Speaker:HG. I think that's all we've ever referred her.
Speaker:So I'm- Oh, okay.
Speaker:So, are- It, it's been a few years.
Speaker:I'm trying to remember what her first name was, but
Speaker:I, I don't think it was Holly, but it could've been.
Speaker:So Dave, uh, we're, we're gonna call her Holly
Speaker:G for this interview.
Speaker:And you know, one thing that really bothers me in, on these
Speaker:heinous crimes is that we hear so much about the killers.
Speaker:We hear their names mentioned over and over again, and
Speaker:everybody remembers them, but we don't remember the victims.
Speaker:And I just wanted to, to read the names of the victims
Speaker:of, of this heinous crime.
Speaker:Uh, these were the four that were murdered, uh, the night that Holly
Speaker:G was, uh, seriously injured.
Speaker:Uh, Brad Heyka, Heather Muller, Aaron Sander, Jason Befort.
Speaker:And, uh, then we had two other victims of the crime,
Speaker:and we'll get into that, how, how they were involved.
Speaker:Ann Walenta, who was also killed by these murderers, and,
Speaker:uh, another one that was, um, traumatized, uh, Andrew Schreiber.
Speaker:Uh, these were the victims of what's called
Speaker:the Wichita Massacre.
Speaker:It occurred, uh, over a week period in two- December of 2000.
Speaker:Dave was the first one on the scene, uh, and, and met with
Speaker:the survivor, the lone survivor the night of these murders.
Speaker:Um, walk me through, uh, what led up to this night, okay?
Speaker:We had a crime spree that was going on.
Speaker:There had been a another quadruple murder that occurred
Speaker:just eight days earlier.
Speaker:Now you, you, uh, had a guy that was robbed at gunpoint, and,
Speaker:uh, and then another woman that was shot and ultimately died.
Speaker:Uh, walk us through the details there.
Speaker:What was going on in December of 2000 in Wichita, Kansas?
Speaker:Well, the first one I b- was basically they carjacked a
Speaker:gentleman at a convenience store, and, uh, one of the brothers rode
Speaker:with him in the car, and the other one followed, and they forced him
Speaker:to go to an ATM, withdraw as much money as he could d- withdraw.
Speaker:Uh, then they had him drive out into the county, and one of the
Speaker:brothers shot the tires out of the car so he couldn't follow them,
Speaker:and then they left him there.
Speaker:Mm. That was our, our first victim.
Speaker:Was Andrew Schreiber.
Speaker:Our second- Yeah.
Speaker:Andrew
Speaker:Schreiber,
Speaker:right.
Speaker:Um,
Speaker:our next victim, basically, she was pulling … If I
Speaker:remember correctly, she was pulling up into her driveway
Speaker:one evening, and they ran up on her, and something happened.
Speaker:I don't think we ever really def- found out exactly what happened,
Speaker:but she was shot in the driveway.
Speaker:I assume it was probably gonna be the exact same thing.
Speaker:Um, and she actually lived long enough to identify,
Speaker:uh, the brothers as, as the ones that had done it to her
Speaker:before she had passed away.
Speaker:And then, of course, a few nights later, we had, um, they
Speaker:basically were driving around in, in a nice neighborhood and
Speaker:had seen a home open that had the … You know, the front door
Speaker:was open, but the, you know, the weather door was closed, but
Speaker:they could see inside, and that's when they, they did the home
Speaker:invasion that led to the quadruple
Speaker:Wow
Speaker:And the details of that night were, are really unbelievable.
Speaker:And, and then we get up to the point where you enter the,
Speaker:the scene, which is they, they eventually, after they emptied
Speaker:their ATM, um, accounts, they take them all, uh, out to a deserted
Speaker:area in a snow-filled pasture area and, um, shot them all in
Speaker:the back of the head, Holly G being the only one that survived.
Speaker:And, you know, we talked about her, uh, the, the suffering from
Speaker:the gunshot wound, but she also was run over by the truck that
Speaker:the killers used, uh, to escape.
Speaker:So Holly G somehow survives a gunshot wound
Speaker:to the back of the head.
Speaker:Uh, then she, uh, suffers injuries as a result of
Speaker:being run over by a truck.
Speaker:I don't know how you survive that.
Speaker:And then she walks one mile or so in, in the snow, freezing
Speaker:temperatures, stark naked, uh, and sees Christmas lights
Speaker:on a house in, uh, Wichita, Kansas, and, uh, goes for help.
Speaker:Uh, interestingly, Dave, I, I was noting, uh, in my research that as
Speaker:she was walking toward this house with Christmas lights on, uh,
Speaker:there were a number of vehicles that came along on the roadway
Speaker:that she was on, and she ducked.
Speaker:She didn't ask for help because she was worried that the killers
Speaker:might be returning and, uh, she didn't wanna be, uh, uh,
Speaker:you know, taken hostage once again and, and who knows what
Speaker:they would've done to her.
Speaker:Um, so this is where you enter, a 911 call from the
Speaker:home where Holly G ends up.
Speaker:Um, and, you know, it always amazes me that police
Speaker:officers get these calls.
Speaker:You never know what you're walking into, right?
Speaker:It could be a domestic violence situation, one of the most
Speaker:dangerous that any cop will ever face, or it could be a quadruple
Speaker:murder and a, and a survivor somehow that makes it out, and,
Speaker:uh, this is what you walked into.
Speaker:Uh, you mentioned that you didn't really, uh, talk to
Speaker:Holly, uh, at the house, uh, not until you got to the hospital.
Speaker:Um, w- what was the, the scene like when you
Speaker:arrived at that house?
Speaker:What was… Uh, was Holly G conscious?
Speaker:She was conscious.
Speaker:Actually, EMS, you know, arrived just … We all
Speaker:arrived about the same time.
Speaker:I mean, it was literally foot and a half of snow out, icy streets.
Speaker:I mean, you were not driving fast that night.
Speaker:And, uh, yeah, she did tell me that there were several cars.
Speaker:She crossed a highway, and she was so afraid it was them
Speaker:coming back, you know, to get her- Right … that she
Speaker:was not gonna contact a car.
Speaker:When we got there, the people in the house had her wrapped in
Speaker:a … It was either, um, a, a, like a rug or a real thick, uh,
Speaker:blanket, and EMS immediately started working on her 'cause
Speaker:she was still bleeding from the back of the head a little bit.
Speaker:And, uh, she had … You know, they were concerned about the
Speaker:frostbite 'cause we had realized that she had walked quite a ways.
Speaker:Uh, so the two officers that there with me, you know, you
Speaker:know, started doing their job.
Speaker:They pulled people acro- you know, said, "Hey, what do
Speaker:you g- what's going on?" Of course, they didn't know.
Speaker:They had … All they knew was this naked girl banging
Speaker:on their door, bleeding from the back of their head.
Speaker:And so they, uh … EMS immediately gets this gal up, you
Speaker:know, on a cot, and they get her into, into the, uh, ambulance.
Speaker:And so, like I said, it's, you know, my department was,
Speaker:"It's your beat, it's your case, so I'm following the
Speaker:victim to the hospital."
Speaker:And, uh, when we got there, um, you know, I helped them
Speaker:get the, the, uh, gurney out of the truck, and that's, that's
Speaker:when she started talking.
Speaker:But I do remember one of the female EMS personnel broke down
Speaker:at that time, started crying, 'cause I'm sure she was telling
Speaker:them in, in the ambulance a little bit- Right … of what happened.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, uh, uh, luckily I had a brand new case book
Speaker:because I filled a case book.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, I literally could not get her to be quiet.
Speaker:Uh, she started telling everything.
Speaker:What are
Speaker:some of the, what are some of the things, Dave,
Speaker:that, that she told you?
Speaker:Are those things you can talk about now?
Speaker:Or did sh- You know, what, what did she do to help
Speaker:direct the future efforts?
Speaker:Well, she started with the whole story, and I mean, the whole
Speaker:way through this thing, I'm just … You know, you've had witnesses
Speaker:that just are like, "Okay, I don't believe a word they're saying."
Speaker:I believed every word she said.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:But in the back of my mind, I, I just … It's, it couldn't
Speaker:comprehend the evilness of just what had happened to
Speaker:her, that group that night.
Speaker:Now she's talked about how they, they broke in and, uh, how
Speaker:they had, uh, tied them all up.
Speaker:They started ransacking the house, and then they were
Speaker:taking them one by one to ATMs to pull out as much money-
Speaker:Right
Speaker:… as they could.
Speaker:Um- And while they were doing that, they would stick the
Speaker:others in a closet so that they couldn't, uh, get out.
Speaker:You know, 'cause at one point- Right … there were three
Speaker:guys there and a girl against one of the suspects, but,
Speaker:you know, they were tied up, stuffed in a closet during that.
Speaker:And, uh- Wow.
Speaker:Was she able to describe the, uh, the people thoroughly?
Speaker:Well, oh, yeah, she gave me great descriptions of, of both suspects.
Speaker:Uh, she described the car that they were driving.
Speaker:Uh, they had stolen or had taken one of the boy's, uh, white pickup
Speaker:trucks and were using it also, and she gave me a description of that.
Speaker:And of course, you know, I'm trying to relay all this to, uh,
Speaker:detectives and to dispatch, and I'm talking with detectives at this
Speaker:time trying to figure out, okay, what do we, you know, what do
Speaker:we wanna put out over the radio?
Speaker:Um, uh, 'cause a lot of it we weren't putting out over the
Speaker:radio, uh, so, 'cause at the time, you know, the news media's
Speaker:listened to everything we had to say, so we were a little-
Speaker:Right … little, little cautious at the first o- on what we
Speaker:were gonna put out on this, uh, especially since this was … I
Speaker:mean, we did have a second or, uh, the first quadruple, you
Speaker:know, week or two before all this.
Speaker:So, uh, we were, we were firstly a little, little guarded on
Speaker:what we were putting out over the radio, but we later put out
Speaker:quite a bit of information, which actually helped us catch the
Speaker:two individuals the next day.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:You know, Dave, I'm … What, what strikes me is you're hearing
Speaker:this as a police officer, and you're being professional.
Speaker:You're taking notes.
Speaker:You're passing along, uh, the, the survivor t- um, you
Speaker:know, evidence that she was providing you so you could help
Speaker:capture the, uh, criminals.
Speaker:But, you know, she's describing a heinous crime, uh, torture,
Speaker:a rape, uh, robbery and then ultimately murder, a multiple
Speaker:murder, quadruple murder, and what's going through your head?
Speaker:I mean, you've gotta kinda separate, I would imagine, the,
Speaker:the human reaction to what you're hearing, which is, uh, t- so
Speaker:traumatic in, in my view, versus, uh, your job as a police officer.
Speaker:And then this always, you know, kind of confuses me about how
Speaker:cops are able to, uh, maybe compartmentalize their, their
Speaker:emotions, their human side of, of what they're dealing with,
Speaker:with the professional side.
Speaker:Walk me through that.
Speaker:What's going through your head at this moment?
Speaker:That was one.
Speaker:I mean, you always sometimes, w- w- you always kinda
Speaker:question sometimes about when people tell you things.
Speaker:You're let- you write down, it's like, okay, you know, you go to
Speaker:a domestic, somebody's telling you one thing, somebody's telling
Speaker:you the other thing, somewhere in there, this is the truth.
Speaker:I had never any time thought that she was lying to me, any,
Speaker:any of this was exaggerated.
Speaker:But at the same time, I'm taking it all in as the truth, but trying
Speaker:to process how a human being could do this to another human being.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, and it's … We probably had the same conversation four
Speaker:or five times, and occasionally she would add a little bit
Speaker:more into it as she came in.
Speaker:Um, and she was, for probably the first 30 minutes to an hour,
Speaker:well, probably 30 to 45 minutes while we were there in the
Speaker:emergency room, she kept wanting to know about, uh, her friends.
Speaker:And I finally had to tell her that at that point I had found out that
Speaker:no, they were all deceased, and I finally had to let her know that-
Speaker:Wow
Speaker:uh, all her friends, you know, didn't make it.
Speaker:And, uh, the weird … Not the weird thing, but she told me that
Speaker:when they were all shot, she was actually still wearing a sweater.
Speaker:And, uh, her boyfriend, who we later found out actually was
Speaker:gonna propose, I don't know, that night or- Mm … pretty soon-
Speaker:Wow
Speaker:uh, she went to him and took the sweater off and wrapped
Speaker:it around the wound he had on hi- on the back of his head.
Speaker:Um, I mean, that's how much she sh- cared about.
Speaker:She took the only piece of clothing she had
Speaker:off to help him out.
Speaker:What was her reaction, uh, when you told her that
Speaker:her friends had all died?
Speaker:She knew.
Speaker:I mean, I think she just She, she knew that they had passed away.
Speaker:I think she knew it.
Speaker:Uh, she, I think she was just hopeful like her something had
Speaker:happened and, and, you know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Some-
Speaker:She didn't, she- Like some miracle,
Speaker:huh?
Speaker:Yeah, and she couldn't, she couldn't understand it,
Speaker:'cause it took us a while to find out what saved her.
Speaker:And so she thought, well, maybe what happened to
Speaker:her happened to them.
Speaker:Oh,
Speaker:okay.
Speaker:You know, she didn't know what had saved her at first, and we
Speaker:didn't find that out till later.
Speaker:Um, but yeah, we, we probably had the, the conversation about
Speaker:what happened that night between the ER and, and after we got
Speaker:her into ICU four or five times.
Speaker:And she would, at that time, you know, remember
Speaker:a little bit more, add a little bit more to the story.
Speaker:And of course, that gave me time to think, okay, well,
Speaker:you know, the particulars of the case were one thing, and
Speaker:so I'm trying to figure out the evidence we can find to
Speaker:catch these guys, you know?
Speaker:And then we found out the truck and was able to g- get a little
Speaker:more information on that that we could put out, uh, to get it.
Speaker:But, uh, like I said, she is, you know, 20 years into law
Speaker:enforcement, I have to bet, admit she was probably the
Speaker:best witness I have ever had.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Maybe one of the strongest and most courageous, uh, based on
Speaker:what she's been through.
Speaker:Oh, I … She's, she's a very, very strong young, young lady.
Speaker:Yeah.
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Speaker:Craig.
Speaker:You know, Dave, um, it sounds to me, based on what you've
Speaker:described, that you were with her basically through the night
Speaker:and into the next morning.
Speaker:Um, many hours, I assume.
Speaker:And, uh, my obvious question is, you know, is that normal
Speaker:for a police officer to do that?
Speaker:I mean, obviously your, your shift probably ended at some point.
Speaker:Uh, but it, you know, this is something that I think p- some
Speaker:people may not understand.
Speaker:Just because your shift is over, I mean, you're involved in this
Speaker:crime and, and with the survivor, you're not gonna leave her, and
Speaker:it sounds like you stayed with her well into the next day.
Speaker:Is that correct?
Speaker:Yeah, I stayed with her.
Speaker:We, I stayed with her during the, you know, during what they could
Speaker:do for her in the emergency room.
Speaker:Which, which wasn't much.
Speaker:I mean, uh, they got her cleaned up and got some bandages on it.
Speaker:And, uh, she was in a lot of pain.
Speaker:And, uh, went with her when she, they moved her to the ICU
Speaker:unit, um, and stayed with her there- Um, probably several
Speaker:hours into it, I had a couple detectives stop by, um, to, you
Speaker:know, try and do some follow-up.
Speaker:At that point she was … You know, they have got enough
Speaker:medication into her, she was not coherent to, you
Speaker:know, to some extent.
Speaker:She could still talk a little bit, but, um, yeah, I wasn't gonna
Speaker:leave her till I was relieved, and I think I was working 11:00 to
Speaker:7:00, and I think I got relieved about 9:00 the next morning.
Speaker:And of course then I had to go back to the, uh, city building
Speaker:where the detectives are and then tell the whole story again,
Speaker:and then I had four homicide cases and a rape case to write
Speaker:up, so it was a long day.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:Help me understand, uh, and our audience, the difference between
Speaker:a police officer and a detective in a case like this, okay?
Speaker:In other words, when you respond w- to the 911 call,
Speaker:um, you're there with the survivor, but at what point
Speaker:do, do you turn over the case basically to the detectives
Speaker:and, and the others that are gonna get involved in the case?
Speaker:My job as the patrol officer was basically to get the
Speaker:basic information, everything I could, you know- Right
Speaker:uh, before anything had happened.
Speaker:So, you know, I got all, everything I could from her, uh,
Speaker:got out a lot of the information.
Speaker:Um, and then my job is to fill in the detectives, who are gonna
Speaker:then take all that information and work the case from there on.
Speaker:So I'm, you know … I did a little bit with some of the stuff
Speaker:around the house later, but my main job was gaining all that
Speaker:information at the very beginning-
Speaker:Right
Speaker:um, and turning it over to detectives.
Speaker:And of course, it was a lot of crime scenes.
Speaker:We were out on that, uh, parking lot, from my understanding, for
Speaker:days on end, you know, trying to … And we were working in a
Speaker:foot of snow, uh, so trying to find evidence in a foot of snow,
Speaker:and then the house was another area that we were working.
Speaker:But, uh, no, I stayed with her probably till about
Speaker:9:00 the next morning- And- … until I was relieved.
Speaker:Help me understand the, uh, capture of these two brothers.
Speaker:And, and even before that, was there a motive beyond
Speaker:robbery and the thrill of, uh, committing heinous crimes
Speaker:to innocent individuals?
Speaker:No, I, money's I'm sure the big one.
Speaker:I, I, and all I can just say is I, you know, I've thought
Speaker:about that for years, and I can just say people have
Speaker:asked me that question before.
Speaker:Th- these two brothers are just evil.
Speaker:That's just the best way I can put it.
Speaker:You know, money I'm sure was the driving factor, but with
Speaker:everything else that was done to these poor victims that night,
Speaker:it's more than just money.
Speaker:Um, we, the, since they had taken one of the, uh, victim's
Speaker:trucks, um, we were able to determine, find out what kind
Speaker:of truck it was, got the tag number on it, and those things.
Speaker:We actually had … One of my partners, uh, had broke his
Speaker:hand earlier in the evening in a fight and was at the hospital
Speaker:getting his hand patched up, and he showed up in the
Speaker:ICU unit just was all like, "What have you got going on?"
Speaker:I mean, the radio's going nuts.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:He's got a cast on his hand, and I said, "Hey, I've …" Kind of
Speaker:just went over quickly, and I said, "Hey, I've gotta find out
Speaker:this truck." So he goes … And I'm still talking to her, and
Speaker:she's giving me information.
Speaker:He goes … Now, remember, he's got a broken hand.
Speaker:He's off duty.
Speaker:They've sent him home.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And, uh, he gets on the phone, calls our records, gets the
Speaker:truck description, gets the tag number, calls, gets me a
Speaker:case number, actually writes the stolen, uh, truck report
Speaker:up there in the hospital.
Speaker:I never did pull it.
Speaker:I'd love to have pulled that case 'cause I'm sure it looked
Speaker:horrible with a broken hand.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But he wrote that case up, got it entered into NCIC for me
Speaker:so, you know, w- that would be a stolen truck if it came up,
Speaker:and then pretty much was like, "Man, is there anything else
Speaker:you need?" I'm like, "Ah, no,
Speaker:go home." So, uh, but, uh, we got the truck out there, and
Speaker:then we decided that, uh, well, the detectives decided let's
Speaker:get some information about the brothers out there, so we
Speaker:gave out a description of the white truck, the car they were
Speaker:driving, their description.
Speaker:And basically, I, I don't know if we went into the quad too much,
Speaker:but a burglary and those things.
Speaker:And, uh, I learned later that, uh, I was actually at
Speaker:the city building going over detectives when we got a call.
Speaker:911 got a call about a male matching the description
Speaker:driving a white truck matching the description dragging
Speaker:a big screen TV across the parking lot on a blanket-
Speaker:in a, an apartment complex.
Speaker:So of course we send everybody we had out there, and they were able
Speaker:to actually then catch one of the brothers 'cause they said, "Yeah,
Speaker:he went into that apartment."
Speaker:One brother was in custody.
Speaker:The second was still out there.
Speaker:How they found him is in part two.
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